Show Me the Money

The BIBLE says God loves a cheerfull giver, and he will give it back pressed down and over-flowing. When God has your heart he'll have your wallet as well. Like the word says the love of money...J roc if you were pointed to the
cross you would stll be lost.

Well, I think we should all say, "Welcome, jebb"....I'm saying, "Welcome, Jebb" and "Good night, all"...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by jebb

The BIBLE says God loves a cheerfull giver, and he will give it back pressed down and over-flowing. When God has your heart he'll have your wallet as well. Like the word says the love of money...J roc if you were pointed to the
cross you would stll be lost.

How's Dubya doing?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by jebb

The BIBLE says God loves a cheerfull giver, and he will give it back pressed down and over-flowing. When God has your heart he'll have your wallet as well. Like the word says the love of money...J roc if you were pointed to the
cross you would stll be lost.

Better revisit the word on the bolded part that is not what it says. "...pressed down and running over shall men give into you bosom...."

j-croc sounds to me like a preacher hater. dude you better put a lock on that wallet.

[SDG]

[quote=Praxeas;183380]What do you mean by hit and run fashion? I posted these earlier and nobody replied...how am I running? I don't even know why you have to take an attitude if you are a honest individual who wants to discuss scriptures and wants the truth. I didn't post anything about you personally

As I pointed out before I point out again. This is not JUST to the levites. Notice it refers to the gift of Judah and Jerusalem. Notice again it says the WHOLE nation was guilty and notice again it speaks of bringing IN the tithe so the store. It was not the Levites job to give tithes.

You refuse to see the conditional statement found in verses 3 and 4 ... simple reading comprehension ...

If God cleanses the Levite ... then they will offer a proper offering then the gifts of Jerusalem and Judah will become pleasing again.

Secondly, it was not the job of Levites to give tithes??? ... WRONG AGAIN ...

They gave a tithe to the Aaronic priests ... hence, the priests lived off 1% of the general tithe....

and the Levites had the job of distributing grain for the widow, orphan and stranger ... which apparently they were not doing and thus oppressing them as Malachi says throughout the book.

Mal 3:10 "Bring the entire tithe into the storehouse so that there may be food in my temple. Test me in this matter," says the sovereign Lord, "to see if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until there is no room for it all.
Mal 3:11 Then I will stop the plague from ruining your crops, and the vine will not lose its fruit before harvest," says the sovereign Lord.

The Levites LIVED off of "the food in the temple". Why would God be telling the Levites to pay tithes for themselves to have food in the temple?

The Levites didn't have land and crops and cattle to raise and offer.

The entire tithe set aside in the 3rd year for the needy was not going to the storehouse as instructed Praxeas .. but being mishandled for personal gain of the Levites ... this is not hard to understand ... and see throughout the book of Malachi ... take off your OP rose-colored glasses ... for a change.

The food in the temple was not just for Levite consumption but for the poor and those who gave tithes also ate their tithe during feasts

None of this taught by most who seek to keep it all.

The Levites didn't have crops. The verse in Mal says "YOUR crops". So Mal 3 is not just to the levites, but to those too who brought tithes to the temple, into the store house, so the levites could live off of the temple work they did

More faulty reasoning ... if I give you a hundred dollars ... do you now have a hundred dollars ... even if you didn't have it prior????

[SDG]

Originally Posted by jebb

j-croc sounds to me like a preacher hater. dude you better put a lock on that wallet.

Jebb ... sounds like a poster with a multiple personality disorder.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You refuse to see the conditional statement found in verses 3 and 4 ... simple reading comprehension ...

Dan, if you are right, why do you have to resort to ad hominem comments? This is twice in a row where I said nothing about you personally and you have to respond back with a personal comment. That is enough to make one wonder if perhaps your argument is not enough to stand on it's own Also what did you mean by hit and run?

If God cleanses the Levite ... then they will offer a proper offering then the gifts of Jerusalem and Judah will become pleasing again.

Secondly, it was not the job of Levites to give tithes??? ... WRONG AGAIN ...

They gave a tithe to the Aaronic priests ... hence, the priests lived off 1% of the general tithe....

Of the general tithe. Dan, where the levites the only tithe payers? Also did they have their own land to farm?

Also Mal 3:6, once again, shows what follows is not just to the levites but to ALL the Isralites by referring to the Sons of Jacob and not exclusively to the sons of Levi

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Then God says, again, the WHOLE NATION is guilty

Mal 3:9 You are bound for judgment because you are robbing me — this whole nation is guilty.

In chapter 2 again he speaks to the priests but THEN he speaks to the whole nation

Mal 2:11 Judah has become disloyal, and unspeakable sins have been committed in Israel and Jerusalem. For Judah has profaned the holy things that the Lord loves and has turned to a foreign god!
Mal 2:12 May the Lord cut off from the community of Jacob every last person who does this, as well as the person who presents improper offerings to the sovereign Lord!

and the Levites had the job of distributing grain for the widow, orphan and stranger ... which apparently they were not doing and thus oppressing them as Malachi says throughout the book.

And there was not enough in the store house...wow all because just the levites were not tithing? Or was the whole nation guilty?

The entire tithe set aside in the 3rd year for the needy was not going to the storehouse as instructed Praxeas .. but being mishandled for personal gain of the Levites ... this is not hard to understand ... and see throughout the book of Malachi ... take off your OP rose-colored glasses ... for a change.

Once again Dan resorts to ad hominem attacks. Dan, why do you hate Oneness Pentecostals so much that you have to continually make slurs like this? Have you ever EVER seen me use this verse to show tithing is a requirement?

[Steve Epley]

Dan & Jrock after reflection I do think I was wrong in addressing(though I believe my perception) y'all are correct I do NOT know either of you and if I have judge you wrongly then accept my sincere apology. I do not think I will converse with either of you on another subject. Our worlds are too far apart and I have no desire to be part of your world and the feeling I am sure is mutual with you. I have and did pray for you and I am afraid I have provoked you in a negative way. Again forgive my musings and count them as the ramblings of an old man. Jrock I don't remember calling you a child of the devil but if I did so I was wrong and I want everyone on this forum to know I was wrong.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Dan, if you are right, why do you have to resort to ad hominem comments? This is twice in a row where I said nothing about you personally and you have to respond back with a personal comment. That is enough to make one wonder if perhaps your argument is not enough to stand on it's own Also what did you mean by hit and run?

If God cleanses the Levite ... then they will offer a proper offering then the gifts of Jerusalem and Judah will become pleasing again.


Of the general tithe. Dan, where the levites the only tithe payers? Also did they have their own land to farm?

Also Mal 3:6, once again, shows what follows is not just to the levites but to ALL the Isralites by referring to the Sons of Jacob and not exclusively to the sons of Levi

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Then God says, again, the WHOLE NATION is guilty

Mal 3:9 You are bound for judgment because you are robbing me — this whole nation is guilty.

In chapter 2 again he speaks to the priests but THEN he speaks to the whole nation

Mal 2:11 Judah has become disloyal, and unspeakable sins have been committed in Israel and Jerusalem. For Judah has profaned the holy things that the Lord loves and has turned to a foreign god!
Mal 2:12 May the Lord cut off from the community of Jacob every last person who does this, as well as the person who presents improper offerings to the sovereign Lord!


And there was not enough in the store house...wow all because just the levites were not tithing? Or was the whole nation guilty?


Once again Dan resorts to ad hominem attacks. Dan, why do you hate Oneness Pentecostals so much that you have to continually make slurs like this? Have you ever EVER seen me use this verse to show tithing is a requirement?

Taking the high road is a good approach Praxeas ... although a new one at that ..

Praxeas ... I'll acknowledge a small part of Malachi ... especially part of chapter 2 is addressing Judah ... when you acknowledge that God's anger is over the handling of the tithe by the sons of Levi ...

Malachi 3:6 does nothing to make your case only an acknowledgment the God is the God of Israel ... which is being stated ....

What translation have you conveniently chosen ... for Malachi 3:9 ???

Not the NIV nor the KJV ... interestingly enough.

KJV ... states the following:

Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

Who is cursed in this rebuke? The first verses in the chapter once again give us the answer.... Here the translator says God has been robbed and one can also conclude that the whole nation is being robbed too - for ye have robbed me, even the whole nation.

NIV:
9 You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me. 10

Who has brought the curse ... clearly the sons of Levi ... who are the targets of God's ire in this chapter.

Simple to see.