Billy Graham - Page 45

Evang.Benincasa · #**441** 03-05-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by consapente89

Oh!!!! Could we all take a moment and pray for mercy for Elder Louis L'amour please?! I know he didn't fulfill Acts 2:38 quite the way we understand it, but his writings were truly inspired and I'm sure God recognizes that!!! After all, who else has provided so many sermon illustrations for Apostolic preachers?!

Yes, because his material has been used by Apostolic preachers. Except Haunted Mesa

Evang.Benincasa · #**442** 03-05-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Is their misunderstanding of our movement supposed to make someone upset so that they might condemn these people? I pray God have mercy on their souls.

This is the same as young Mormon Missionaries getting cornered on the teachings. They revert to repeating "I believe Joseph Smith is a prophet, and the book of Mormon is true. Sorry Chris, you can pray until your head falls off, God will never grant them mercy who didn't obey Acts 2:38. Sorry. Worry about your own soul, pray for your own soul.

Evang.Benincasa · #**443** 03-05-2018, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Bottom line. If Graham is in Heaven, God counted him as having obeyed Acts 2:38 even if his understanding of it was unclear. That means God counted his baptism as being done in the name of Jesus, forgave his sins, regenerated him by the Holy Ghost, took residence within his heart, without tongues as the initial sign. Yep, I think there will be many cases like that in Glory. This is not "salvation by works".

OK, if Sri Rama Krishna and Swami Vivekananda are in heaven then God counted them as having obeyed Acts 2:38 even if their understanding of it was unclear? That means God counted their baptisms as being done in the name of Jesus, forgave their sins, regenerated them by the Holy Ghost, took residence within their heart, without tongues as the initial sign. Without tongues period. I guess heaven will look like the circus train crashed.

But on the serious side, it is salvation by works ALONE.

Please forgive me in advance, I love you, I hope, and pray the best for you, your family, plus ministry. But what you posted makes the Gospel of God of none effect. Sri Rama Krishna and Swami Vivekananda believed in Jesus, believed in all religions. Billy Graham will be counted worthy of Acts 2:38 while rejecting Acts 2:38? Where is the scripture for any of this? Why did Jesus rebuke Satan with "it is written!" or the Judean religious leaders with "it is written?" Even the first Bible study in the first book of the Torah, has the Serpent telling Eve, "hadn't God said?" But here we stand as our own country leans towards not only becoming post Christian, but becoming POST BIBLE. Where we make it up as we go along. Circling the drain, becoming not only Biblically blind, but logically blind.

Evang.Benincasa · #**444** 03-05-2018, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Many of the Preterists here used to be Futurists. What this testifies to is the reality that they walked in error for many years and after study and prayer have come to the conclusion that they were in error, that is why they changed their position. They seem to so quickly forget how God was with them, even as they were stumbling through the darkness.

In this, we know that they are not above being wrong. Though they will speak with an infallibility that rivals that of the Pope himself.

Not being above being wrong, who's to say that they are right regarding their new found Preterism? What if the Historicist is actually right? What if they only traded an error for an error?

Are they humble enough to see this? Did their perceived error while being futurists humble them? Clearly not.

It humbled me. It caused me to realize... I'm not always right. And that reveals that I may very well still be mistaken on a number of things. And this goes for them too.

Error is error. Is there such a thing as a "white lie"? A false teaching is a false teaching. Is there such a thing as a not-so-false-false-teaching? How do they claim that teaching a false teaching on prophecy is any different from teaching a false teaching on Godhead, or regarding the application of the Gospel?

They make excuse for their own error... and assume that God will have mercy... while condemning all comers who are in the very same shoes they are in.

Funny how for years, (I mean literally) for years, when someone is getting their rear end kicked on the forum they whip out PRETERIST!!!! Like it is a derogatory term? A Christian curse word? A Christian racial slur?

Aquila, Peter said Acts 2:38-39, Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 15:2-4, here is where we have salvation.

But strange, I already answered this question about beliefs on different topics. If everything had to be the same for a soul to be saved. We moved on from that. Interestingly you asked me twice, and I answered the same. Yet, this isn't the discussion about eschatology, it is about soteriology. Billy Graham as you agreed in quite a few posts isn't saved. Not by a Bible long shot, Again, you can pray for mercy on these people, preachers and song writers, and Jesus will tell them. Depart from me all you who worked lawlessness, I NEVER KNEW YOU.

Aquila · #**445** 03-05-2018, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Amen, whether they attribute to their fruit producing life, they see that as the reason God will grant them salvation. Not because they were baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues. Or any other points of the Apostolic teaching. Anytime we talk about Finney, Wesley, Seymour, Graham, Corrie Ten Boom, Padre Pio, Martin Luther whether King, or no King. First thing anyone brigs up is their WORKS. Doctrinally correct is on the low part of the spectrum. Look, Aquila points out John Newton and his hymn. As if due to his song he should be granted special entry? That is totally a salvation based on works.

I've mentioned works only in relation to reward. Repeatedly, I've only said genuine faith and repentance from sin.

Esaias · #**446** 03-05-2018, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

I was speaking of the fruit of their life, not good deeds.

Fruit? As in, what? Explain the difference between the fruit of their life, and their good deeds?

Evang.Benincasa · #**447** 03-05-2018, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

Taught by most of our founders?
My great-grandfather was one of the first to accept the message in the midwest and neither he, nor my grandfather believed (or preached) that there was any other way to be saved.
So, I would disagree with your perspective.

Aquila · #**448** 03-05-2018, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris is actually saying that he is praying to God that God throws Biblical soteriology out the window.While granting these people mercy based on their works ALONE.

Of course I pray that if their be any way, God have mercy on Christians who have not come into full truth. People have prayed for worse.

Let me guess, you've not prayed that God have mercy for a one of them.

Aquila · #**449** 03-05-2018, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by consapente89

Oh!!!! Could we all take a moment and pray for mercy for Elder Louis L'amour please?! I know he didn't fulfill Acts 2:38 quite the way we understand it, but his writings were truly inspired and I'm sure God recognizes that!!! After all, who else has provided so many sermon illustrations for Apostolic preachers?!

Riviling is a sin.

Evang.Benincasa · #**450** 03-05-2018, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I've mentioned works only in relation to reward. Repeatedly, I've only said genuine faith and repentance from sin.

Chris, read the entire thread again, you will see that the only reason anyone ever "feels" that God might give them a pass is because of their works, good deeds, etc. Amazing Grace, tears in the eyes, "praying MOTHERS!!!!!"

Hebrews 10:28-29 is clear, and it is sobering.