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Old 04-01-2012, 11:00 PM
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How will it possibly help Zimmerman's case if it can be shown that Trayvon was the one yelling for help?

If Trayvon has no signs of a scuffle (including offensive wounds), wouldn't that point to some other cause of Zimmerman's injuries? Such as injuring himself to make it look like there was a just cause for him to kill someone?
he had no time to INJURE himself before cops arrived ,pure speculation, which is exactly what the blacks will say ,oh he had someone punch him and he bashed his head on the ground ,puleeze ! maybe he was yelling for help when he saw that roscoe pointed at him.
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Old 04-01-2012, 11:18 PM
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Wow. First of all, I consider many of the people here on AFF far more "my own" than Mr. Innis who I neither know or know anything about. Secondly, I have stated so many times that I have no use for Sharpton and his ilk. I don't know how many ways I can say that that is not what this is about to me nor have they shaped or affected my perception of what I heard. You cannot just lump every person who questions this case with those extremists that you like to get worked up about. It would be just as pointless as me quoting what White Supremacists have to say (and they do say a lot) and trying to tie every white person here to it.

Furthermore, I am very active in the community when it comes to doing my part to combat crime and violence and to try to influence youth to go a better way. I am very aware of the very real issues that plague the black community.
Also for the umpteenth time, what has caused this situation to stand out to many people is not that someone got killed, but that someone got killed and the killer was allowed to walk away. That is what harkens back to a much darker place and time in American history for many.
Well said, stew. And it remains to be seen if Zimmerman walks, hopeful the truth will become clear for all to see.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:50 AM
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Thank you for the kind words, tstew.

It's been 16 years now. She was 18-years-old. Her mother has had a hollow look in her eye all these years....almost as though the lights went out inside her. It's been very sad in that the family feels that no real investigation was ever done.

So, this is why I have such empathy for the families of slain loved ones.

I do not think that splashing anybody's brush with the law on the media is conducive to all involved. It causes doubtful disputations over conjecture of the life of the victim and of the perpetrator...and what we have here is purely that...conjecture. I do not consider much of the media to be trustworthy in their reporting of news. They have, in the past, left out so many important facts about a variety of issues that the American people should have been told about.

Trayvon Martin may have had a brush with the law, but there are many young men and women who make mistakes at that age and go on to straighten up their life and become productive citizens.

We will never know if Trayvon, my niece and other young men and women could have been won over to the Lord and lived on to a fruitful and productive life.

At that age, it could have been me. I grew up not knowing God and disobeying God in what little I did know. It was God's grace that I did not end up as one of these victims. I would have hated to know that my family might have endured public conjecture about my life.
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:03 AM
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I think he's a dead man either way, unless he goes into a WP program.
MLK would be horrified to see what the civil rights movement has become.
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:22 AM
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You're right. This will probably end up being unsatisfactory for a lot of people, because not all the questions CAN be answered absolutely.

None of us can really make absolute judgment calls until all the facts are out, which could take months. For me right now the evidence leans toward Zimmerman being over-zealous and shooting an unarmed teenager unjustifiably. However, if clear evidence shows otherwise, I'm okay with changing my mind. I'm not holding my breath, though. The more info that comes out, the more I'm liking Zimmerman for murder.
I think murder will be too much to go after. Personally I think he is guilty, but not of murder. He made decisions that put him in a position that got someone killed. In the court of law we can be held negligent for our decisions. He is a watch person, not a police officer. Watch personel are trained to report and record, thats it, nothing more. Whether Trayvon was coming towards him or not, he left the safety of his vehicle, armed.

For negligent homicide one only needs to prove that ones actions caused unwarranted death. This could also go to manslaughter.
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I think murder will be too much to go after. Personally I think he is guilty, but not of murder. He made decisions that put him in a position that got someone killed. In the court of law we can be held negligent for our decisions. He is a watch person, not a police officer. Watch personel are trained to report and record, thats it, nothing more. Whether Trayvon was coming towards him or not, he left the safety of his vehicle, armed.

For negligent homicide one only needs to prove that ones actions caused unwarranted death. This could also go to manslaughter.
An assumption on your part perhaps? Did you read their SOPs? Did Zimmerman have permit to carry a firearm? Does that permit require training ?
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MLK would be horrified to see what the civil rights movement has become.
You are so right, Al and Jesse need to confront the sin of the black community, 93% of all murders there are by members of their own community. Address this sin, in porportion, as they pursue the 7% by whites sin, and they will have much more credibility!!

Gross abuse must be address, and it has in American, American is the least racist nation in the world!!! We must continue to address racism when it is evident, until we are ONE nation under God. Not different communities in one nation.

Rodney King was beaten by police and 59 people died in the riots! If the black community would follow in MLK's footsteps of "nonviolence" much more would be accomplished.
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he had no time to INJURE himself before cops arrived ,pure speculation, which is exactly what the blacks will say ,oh he had someone punch him and he bashed his head on the ground ,puleeze ! maybe he was yelling for help when he saw that roscoe pointed at him.
I'm not interested in changing my views simply because it is something "the blacks" will say. I'm just pointing out that there are several ways this altercation could have taken place, and at this point anything is possible. Unfortunately, only Zimmerman knows for sure, and he has plenty of reason to spin everything in his favor.
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as do all the marchers and rioters etc.time will tell.
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