Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved - Page 45

Nahum · #**441** 07-10-2008, 11:53 AM

It's always the same old posters trying to find every justification imaginable to please their flesh and soothe their conscience. Look, if you want to die of lung cancer - puff away! It doesn't impact me in the least. But don't try to justify sin. Why is it that you all are always looking for every way possible to please your flesh and live like, talk like and act like the world? Why is it that you never seek out fresh commitments and sacrifices? Smoking is not the issue here. It's worldliness.

Rico · #**442** 07-10-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It's always the same old posters trying to find every justification imaginable to please their flesh and soothe their conscience. Look, if you want to die of lung cancer - puff away! It doesn't impact me in the least. But don't try to justify sin. Why is it that you all are always looking for every way possible to please your flesh and live like, talk like and act like the world? Why is it that you never seek out fresh commitments and sacrifices? Smoking is not the issue here. It's worldliness.

PP, what's truly becoming pathetic is the assumption that the people on here saying smoking isn't a sin are smokers. We aren't, but you and Brother Epley continue to act as if we are. Y'all are so blinded by your self righteousness you can't even see that one fact.

Nina · #**443** 07-10-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It's always the same old posters trying to find every justification imaginable to please their flesh and soothe their conscience. Look, if you want to die of obesity - chew away! It doesn't impact me in the least. But don't try to justify sin. Why is it that you all are always looking for every way possible to please your flesh and live like, talk like and act like the world? Why is it that you never seek out fresh commitments and sacrifices? Gluttony is not the issue here. It's worldliness.

Notice I changed some of the words in Your post?

Does it change Your message?

Nina

MissBrattified · #**444** 07-10-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It's always the same old posters trying to find every justification imaginable to please their flesh and soothe their conscience. Look, if you want to die of lung cancer - puff away! It doesn't impact me in the least. But don't try to justify sin. Why is it that you all are always looking for every way possible to please your flesh and live like, talk like and act like the world? Why is it that you never seek out fresh commitments and sacrifices? Smoking is not the issue here. It's worldliness.

I think it all comes from the definition of sin. (Or a lack thereof) To me, sin is anything that places us in opposition or conflict with God.

Addiction falls into that category, IMO. I do not see how you can walk in the Spirit, while addicted to any substance. It's a contradiction.

Makes me think of this scripture....

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Nina · #**445** 07-10-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

He's probably too busy studying the KEV - King Epley Version of the Bible and smacking on a greasy pork chop to have time to answer you... Or perhaps he just has no answer...

Brother,

I've NEVER know Steve Epley to run from a question!!

Nina

You just gotta get his attention.

Nahum · #**446** 07-10-2008, 12:30 PM

Nina, gluttony and obesity are two different things. A person can be a glutton and still be as thin as a rail. Your post exhibits a critical flaw in reasoning ability.

MissBrattified · #**447** 07-10-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Nina, gluttony and obesity are two different things. A person can be a glutton and still be as thin as a rail. Your post exhibits a critical flaw in reasoning ability.

Exactly. Bulimia is a good example.

However, the issue here is addictive substances and harmful substances...aren't those the criteria for not smoking?

Nahum · #**448** 07-10-2008, 12:36 PM

Rico, you are exhibiting immaturity. I am embarrassed for you. Have you even considered that there ARE smokers viewing this thread? People who have struggled to quit, want to quit, feel Jesus telling them to quit? You are doing the work of the enemy as you justify the filthiness of flesh.

RandyWayne · #**449** 07-10-2008, 12:39 PM

Just thinking.... Most will agree that mere temptation isn't sin -after all Jesus Himself was 'tempted". If a person was trying to quit smoking (or drugs, or gambling, or grannies hard cider.....) wouldn't the addiction fall under the realm of temptation then?

Nahum · #**450** 07-10-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Exactly. Bulimia is a good example.

However, the issue here is addictive substances and harmful substances...aren't those the criteria for not smoking?

Yes Ma'am.Gluttony is also called surfeting in the Bible. It was common practice at huge banquets for guests to eat their fill, only to stick a finger in their throat so they could throw up and go eat some more. I have seen the same addiction for pleasure in smokers. People racked with lung cancer and emphyzema still controlled by their need for a cigarette.