Witchcraft = medication

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

Ferd,

God completely healed me of that without drugs of any kind.

So you came to the conclusion drugs are witchcraft?

[Neubill]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

I don't know because I haven't asked God about. What is your opinion on it?

Oneness Man, you really take the biscuit.

First, you start a thread in which you unapologetically trash me and every person in the pharmacy field because God showed you that medication = witchcraft and pharmacists, past and present, are warlocks and witches, even though it was Strongs opinion and not the Bible as you assert.

Then you turn around and tell people that it's not a sin to take medication. How is it sinless to take something put together by a warlock or witch? If a warlock puts together a concoction for you and you take it, you're guilty by association.

Finally, you wonder if it's permissible to use natural medications. Well brother, you should be consistent and avoid them, because aroma-therapeutic and homeopathic medications in the USA are put together by companies under the direction of, you guessed it, a pharmacist.

You probably don't have any witch hazel in your home, for obvious reasons, but you should in fact go the whole way and purge your home of hand creams, dry eye drops, anti-biotic and anti-itch ointments and creams (i.e. Neosporin, hydrocortisone), rubbing alcohol, and nearly everything in your first aid kit and medicine cabinet. If your wife might use anything like foundation, astringent, eye cream, foot cream, or anything similar, you should probably get rid of those as well, since they are formulated and produced under the direct supervision of a pharmacist.

G-d bless you and your family. May he give you wisdom in the area of putting all the worms back in the can you opened up.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Ferd

lets drill down a bit.

if a person has some cronic problem (lets say a heart rythem issue as an example) and there is no cure however there is a medication that will help control the symptoms (a heart that races out of control and can lead to cardiac arrest).

what is your suggestion tbpew? the injestion of these chemicals is not curitive. what do you suggest this person do? do they injest the chemicals thereby altering their own body chemistry or is there some other approach that you would suggest there is an alternative to recieve "Gods Blessing"?

IMO....
Main POINT MP1., the sythethic chemical being ingested in NOT God's remedy, cure, or purposed approach....related to the matter.
Main Point MP2 The chemical bondage we enter into with the majority (> 80%) of drugs being perscribed today is rarely ever considered against the efficacy or risks associated with other health management approaches.

This conversation is just a conversation. I lived next to good friend neighbor guy with an aarrhythmia, he choose NOT to chronically medicate. He had two spells that resulted in emergency services intervening but the underlying causes of the irregular heart beat where never resolved or even openly discussed/proposed by health care providers. Their protocol for these symptoms were to medicate until the end of life.

So I do not even know what other health and wellness options exist. One would have to be a fully independant health alternative zealot.

Clearly one option is just 'die' if the condition sets up that possibility. If eating synthethic chemicals for the rest of my life is the only option to provide life-extension (is that scriptural?), then I guess I can make an informed decision.

Does God expect me to take synthethic chemical compounds every day to presummably extend the number of days that my body will retain the spirit, in otherwords, is this God's expectation for my stewardship? My answer ---NO. With that thought, this is all about us being settled with the idea of DEATH and the preciousness that this death is in the sight of God.

So, without having a specific destination with this....
My answer to your challenge question:
Do NOT begin ingesting any sythethic chemical prescription unless:
1. you ask of your father in heaven for wisdom/understanding concerning the days of your life and your priviledge in him pertaining to this sickness, and that he will be glorified through your present suffering.
2. you have done due diligence concerning the impact that the synthethic chemical has on mortality rates and side-effects
3. you confess openly what lifestyle changes that you are NOT WILLING to do that would be an alternative approach to ingesting sythethic chemicals.
4. You have sought and received medical counsel for implementing an exit plan
5. you (or your trusted medical advocate) has fully understood the active elements in the sythethic chemistry you are putting into your own bloodstream related to: detoxification, dependance, mind-mood altering, and impact on normal bodily functions.
6. you ask and keep on asking your father in heaven for his wisdom and understanding concerning the operation of this infirmity in your life either until he gives you this understanding OR he definitively instructs you that HIS GRACE is SUFFICIENT for your season of suffering.

After that, you live your life with this chronic condition free of your heart condemning you because of guilt or the lack of a witness of a healing or a deliverence.

But please, don't attribute God's active/purposed hand to leading men to be delvelopers of sythethic chemcials that you must commit to purchase and then ingest or inject into your bloodstream for the rest of your life...all to be a recipient of his provision of well-being for your circumstance.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

Ferd,

God completely healed me of that without drugs of any kind.

Good for you. what do you do with someone else whom God did not heal?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by tbpew

IMO....
Main POINT MP1., the sythethic chemical being ingested in NOT God's remedy, cure, or purposed approach....related to the matter.
Main Point MP2 The chemical bondage we enter into with the majority (> 80%) of drugs being perscribed today is rarely ever considered against the efficacy or risks associated with other health management approaches.

This conversation is just a conversation. I lived next to good friend neighbor guy with an aarrhythmia, he choose NOT to chronically medicate. He had two spells that resulted in emergency services intervening but the underlying causes of the irregular heart beat where never resolved or even openly discussed/proposed by health care providers. Their protocol for these symptoms were to medicate until the end of life.

So I do not even know what other health and wellness options exist. One would have to be a fully independant health alternative zealot.

Clearly one option is just 'die' if the condition sets up that possibility. If eating synthethic chemicals for the rest of my life is the only option to provide life-extension (is that scriptural?), then I guess I can make an informed decision.

Does God expect me to take synthethic chemical compounds every day to presummably extend the number of days that my body will retain the spirit, in otherwords, is this God's expectation for my stewardship? My answer ---NO. With that thought, this is all about us being settled with the idea of DEATH and the preciousness that this death is in the sight of God.

So, without having a specific destination with this....
My answer to your challenge question:
Do NOT begin ingesting any sythethic chemical prescription unless:
1. you ask of your father in heaven for wisdom/understanding concerning the days of your life and your priviledge in him pertaining to this sickness, and that he will be glorified through your present suffering.
2. you have done due diligence concerning the impact that the synthethic chemical has on mortality rates and side-effects
3. you confess openly what lifestyle changes that you are NOT WILLING to do that would be an alternative approach to ingesting sythethic chemicals.
4. You have sought and received medical counsel for implementing an exit plan
5. you (or your trusted medical advocate) has fully understood the active elements in the sythethic chemistry you are putting into your own bloodstream related to: detoxification, dependance, mind-mood altering, and impact on normal bodily functions.
6. you ask and keep on asking your father in heaven for his wisdom and understanding concerning the operation of this infirmity in your life either until he gives you this understanding OR he definitively instructs you that HIS GRACE is SUFFICIENT for your season of suffering.

After that, you live your life with this chronic condition free of your heart condemning you because of guilt or the lack of a witness of a healing or a deliverence.

But please, don't attribute God's active/purposed hand to leading men to be delvelopers of sythethic chemcials that you must commit to purchase and then ingest or inject into your bloodstream for the rest of your life...all to be a recipient of his provision of well-being for your circumstance.

wow. that was quite an answer. it left me a bit perplexed. it seems to me that your answer is pray hard, study well and if you feel you want to live take the meds... just don't thank God your still alive.

Do I have that right?

let me give you some background.

shortly before Christmas 2004 my wife's OBGYN informed us that the child she was carrying had an abnormal heart rhythm. He sent us to a Parinatologist.

that Doctor told us it should clear by his due date Feb 6. 2005

Levi was born Christmas day 2004.

we spent a couple of weeks in NICU due to his being early. then we went home and as instructed, checked in with a Cardiologist.

It was discovered that Levi had a thing called Chaotic Atrial Tachycardia. his heart would race up over 300 beats per minute.

left untreated he could die.

treatment meant giving him very strong medication that has nasty side effects. The Doctor felt that there was a chance Levi could out grow it by age 1. if not, it was possible that major surgery would be required or worst case, nothing would help.

Now as a Father and a devoted Christian, what am I supposed to do? take my son to church and pray and believe its all going to be alright and simply ignore doctors?

I think most of the people I know would consider me unworthy of being a dad if I did that.

we prayed and we medicated and by age 9 months he was clear of any defect or arrhythmia. We count it to God that Levi's heart is perfectly fine today. We also make sure we have a yearly check up with the Cardiologist.

Now you can talk this wonderful game about how ingesting chemicals and altering body chemistry 'till the cows come home. I'm not bothered by that at all. I will tell you I thank God on a pretty regular basis that we had access to the top pediatric arrhythmia specialist in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area. I thank God that man knew what to do to keep my little boy alive. I thank God for the medicine we gave him that allowed him the time needed for either God to heal or his body to mature. what ever the case I count it ALL to God as a blessing.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Now you can talk this wonderful game about how ingesting chemicals and altering body chemistry 'till the cows come home. I'm not bothered by that at all. I will tell you I thank God on a pretty regular basis that we had access to the top pediatric arrhythmia specialist in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area. I thank God that man knew what to do to keep my little boy alive. I thank God for the medicine we gave him that allowed him the time needed for either God to heal or his body to mature. what ever the case I count it ALL to God as a blessing.

Ferd, I don't talk for gaming purposes.

I talk because I am done making excuses to my children why Ibuprophen works but God arriving on the scene is always a major "what-if" with 1000 pre-made reasons why he may not have decided to heal or releave pain, despite his completed work at the hand of the whip operator.

So Ferd, you have a very potent personal family story to establish your thanksgiving for God sending men to invent sythethic drugs. Do I have that right?

come now, your assessment that my view had anything to do with either giving God thanks or not giving God thanks, --was straight out of D.A.'s playbook. No revelance, no application, design to incite human contest.

My point, --my belabored point, was that we do not do well when we call man's sustitutes as being God's remedy/cure.

Originally Posted by Neubill

Oneness Man, you really take the biscuit.

First, you start a thread in which you unapologetically trash me and every person in the pharmacy field because God showed you that medication = witchcraft and pharmacists, past and present, are warlocks and witches, even though it was Strongs opinion and not the Bible as you assert.

Then you turn around and tell people that it's not a sin to take medication. How is it sinless to take something put together by a warlock or witch? If a warlock puts together a concoction for you and you take it, you're guilty by association.

Finally, you wonder if it's permissible to use natural medications. Well brother, you should be consistent and avoid them, because aroma-therapeutic and homeopathic medications in the USA are put together by companies under the direction of, you guessed it, a pharmacist.

You probably don't have any witch hazel in your home, for obvious reasons, but you should in fact go the whole way and purge your home of hand creams, dry eye drops, anti-biotic and anti-itch ointments and creams (i.e. Neosporin, hydrocortisone), rubbing alcohol, and nearly everything in your first aid kit and medicine cabinet. If your wife might use anything like foundation, astringent, eye cream, foot cream, or anything similar, you should probably get rid of those as well, since they are formulated and produced under the direct supervision of a pharmacist.

G-d bless you and your family. May he give you wisdom in the area of putting all the worms back in the can you opened up.

You assume that I am trashing you, but you're wrong and that is your right to be wrong.

Originally Posted by Ferd

Good for you. what do you do with someone else whom God did not heal?

That's between them and God.

BTW, I wasn't going to accept it and I didn't. That could of been why I was completely healed.

Originally Posted by tbpew

IMO....
Main POINT MP1., the sythethic chemical being ingested in NOT God's remedy, cure, or purposed approach....related to the matter.
Main Point MP2 The chemical bondage we enter into with the majority (> 80%) of drugs being perscribed today is rarely ever considered against the efficacy or risks associated with other health management approaches.

This conversation is just a conversation. I lived next to good friend neighbor guy with an aarrhythmia, he choose NOT to chronically medicate. He had two spells that resulted in emergency services intervening but the underlying causes of the irregular heart beat where never resolved or even openly discussed/proposed by health care providers. Their protocol for these symptoms were to medicate until the end of life.

So I do not even know what other health and wellness options exist. One would have to be a fully independant health alternative zealot.

Clearly one option is just 'die' if the condition sets up that possibility. If eating synthethic chemicals for the rest of my life is the only option to provide life-extension (is that scriptural?), then I guess I can make an informed decision.

Does God expect me to take synthethic chemical compounds every day to presummably extend the number of days that my body will retain the spirit, in otherwords, is this God's expectation for my stewardship? My answer ---NO. With that thought, this is all about us being settled with the idea of DEATH and the preciousness that this death is in the sight of God.

So, without having a specific destination with this....
My answer to your challenge question:
Do NOT begin ingesting any sythethic chemical prescription unless:
1. you ask of your father in heaven for wisdom/understanding concerning the days of your life and your priviledge in him pertaining to this sickness, and that he will be glorified through your present suffering.
2. you have done due diligence concerning the impact that the synthethic chemical has on mortality rates and side-effects
3. you confess openly what lifestyle changes that you are NOT WILLING to do that would be an alternative approach to ingesting sythethic chemicals.
4. You have sought and received medical counsel for implementing an exit plan
5. you (or your trusted medical advocate) has fully understood the active elements in the sythethic chemistry you are putting into your own bloodstream related to: detoxification, dependance, mind-mood altering, and impact on normal bodily functions.
6. you ask and keep on asking your father in heaven for his wisdom and understanding concerning the operation of this infirmity in your life either until he gives you this understanding OR he definitively instructs you that HIS GRACE is SUFFICIENT for your season of suffering.

After that, you live your life with this chronic condition free of your heart condemning you because of guilt or the lack of a witness of a healing or a deliverence.

But please, don't attribute God's active/purposed hand to leading men to be delvelopers of sythethic chemcials that you must commit to purchase and then ingest or inject into your bloodstream for the rest of your life...all to be a recipient of his provision of well-being for your circumstance.

Amen Brother!!!

[Neubill]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

You assume that I am trashing you, but you're wrong and that is your right to be wrong.

I'm convinced you would not even know if you have offended someone. This is not a good quality to have if you plan on being a Pastor. I hope you do become a Pastor and at the same time, hope you gain a sense of awareness and perspective of your surroundings and your future flock.

I chose the field of pharmacy because I wanted to help people and it felt good to know that my profession has roots which go all the way back to the first Temple in the wilderness, when The LORD required the skills of an Apothecary to make the Anointing Oil and Incense for the Priesthood's use. We have the title of 'pharmacist' but we are apothecaries and have been since Aaron.

Are we a pill society? Yes, without question.
Is there is a connection between an apothecary who made the Anointing Oil and the sorcerer from Revelation 9? No.
Is there a connection between the sorcerer from Revelation 9 and today's friendly neighborhood pharmacist? No.

Strong's saying it does not make it so, just like Hitler saying over and over that the Jews were the cause of the world's problems did not make it Truth.

You say it's in the Bible, but it's not. It's actually in Strong's and his colleagues' interpretation of that particular word in Galatians 5 and Revelation 9. Had I known that you are preparing to take the IT world by storm, I would have chosen a more linear form of communicating the following to you:

Strongs ≠ Bible

Strong's is not Bible. Here's an interesting perspective from Wikipedia:

Strong's Concordance is not a translation of the Bible nor is it intended as a translation tool. The use of Strong's numbers is not a substitute for professional translation of the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into English by those with formal training in ancient languages and the literature of the cultures in which the Bible was written.

Since Strong's Concordance identifies the original words in Hebrew and Greek, Strong's Numbers are sometimes misinterpreted by those without adequate training to change the Bible from its accurate meaning simply by taking the words out of cultural context.

The use of Strong's numbers does not consider figures of speech, metaphors, idioms, common phrases, cultural references, references to historical events, or alternate meanings used by those of the time period to express their thoughts in their own language at the time.

As such, professionals and amateurs alike must consult a number of contextual tools to reconstruct these cultural backgrounds. Many scholarly Greek and Hebrew Lexicons (e.g., Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Thayer's Greek Dictionary, and Vine's Bible Dictionary) also use Strong's numbers for cross-referencing, encouraging hermeneutical approaches to study.

Dr. Strong and his colleagues put together a masterful concordance, but while it is helpful, it is not by any means, 100% accurate. Dr. Strong is not the author and finisher of our faith.

One other thing: I have attended the same Oneness church since I became a Believer in the Messiah since 1996, under the same Pastor who has led scores of people out of life-draining careers and into more spiritually-enriching, satisfying, and prosperous careers. He would not hesitate to tell me if I was engaged in a career associated with sorcery.

May God bless you in your future IT career.