Honestly I dont think this is going to be so bad. My main concern is that the men involved keep good spirits. (on both sides)
so far, every indication is that they have and will.
IF a new fellowship is created and these men leave the UPCI, they will still be part of the Apostolic movement in general. They will still have impact.
At the end of the day, the men that are leaving will have less stress in their lives because they wont be dealing with standing against things that have caused them so much angst.
AND those in the UPCI that want things like advertising will be able to do so without so much rancor.
People keep this in context! this event didnt take place in a vacuum! This is part of a series of events that have been unfolding for a long time now.
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Barb, I know that you and I both grew up in the "heyday" of the UPC in the Michigan District, and the UPC that we see today is very different than it was then. Sometimes it's hard to let go of that, and we see it as a bad thing, but in reality, every living organism is in a constant state of flux...........
Truth, Michael, and more changes will come as time moves along.
Just using your post here as an opportunity to reiterate that personally, I don't see the exodus of hundreds of men - on either side of whatever is perceived as "centre" at the time - as a good thing and aid and catapult the UPC into sudden unity and prosperity.
It hasn't ever achieved that in the past and won't in the future. IMO.
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Barb, I know that you and I both grew up in the "heyday" of the UPC in the Michigan District, and the UPC that we see today is very different than it was then. Sometimes it's hard to let go of that, and we see it as a bad thing, but in reality, every living organism is in a constant state of flux...........
This is true, Michael...but then it's been happening since the early 90s, ya know?!
You are so right in your earlier post about the not contending for your differing views to the disunity of the body part, but I think it was written so they could agree to work together though differing.
I don't think one must depart because they disagree...
You have got to be kidding! Arrogance to disagree? Arrogance to think only the good men are leaving?
The reverse of that would be if you aren't leaving you have no caliber?
I hate that any is leaving. I don't think it speaks well of unity and working together. No one is being forced to advertise. This whole leaving business is nonesense in my opionion. IF you were being forced to advertise and you disagreed that would be a whole different kettle of fish.
But no one is being forced to advertise. How is this different than someone saying you can't wear open toed shoes at their church. You don't have to preach that at your church.
You have a choice to advertise or not to advertise. To think your more holy or more righteous by not having anything to do with this, is arrogance in my opinion.
You may have read more in than I said.
I said this cavalier attitude of "let them go--we will be better off without them" is arrogant.
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I hate that any is leaving. I don't think it speaks well of unity and working together. No one is being forced to advertise. This whole leaving business is nonesense in my opionion. IF you were being forced to advertise and you disagreed that would be a whole different kettle of fish. ...
You have a choice to advertise or not to advertise. To think your more holy or more righteous by not having anything to do with this, is arrogance in my opinion.
Let's wait to see what the UPC does for promotions of the next Pentecost Sunday.
If any media promotion is offered to churches for local-national TV markets, it would seem to me that churches that don't
approve of TV would be indirectly forced to support TV advertizing via the usage of their monies previously sent into HQ.
This is true, Michael...but then it's been happening since the early 90s, ya know?!
You are so right in your earlier post about the not contending for your differing views to the disunity of the body part, but I think it was written so they could agree to work together though differing.
I don't think one must depart because they disagree...
Neither do I Sis. And yet you were upset at me for showing dis-approval on someone who thinks it is a good idea, and was gloating over the fact that the UPCI was going down on a "proverbial ship".
This is true, Michael...but then it's been happening since the early 90s, ya know?!
You are so right in your earlier post about the not contending for your differing views to the disunity of the body part, but I think it was written so they couldagree to work together though differing.
I don't think one must depart because they disagree...
Like diversity without division?
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To me the answer isn't to leave, and I have good reasons for saying that.
The other thing that has weighed heavy on my mind since I've learned of the possible exodus of many men who have been part of the UPC for so many years and have their heritage in that ..... is the reason WHY i.e. what is the real MOTIVATION(and of course God is the only One who truly knows the thoughts, intent and the HEART of an individual and why they do what they do - we all know that) , because I believe strongly that will in large part determine the outcome, the prosperity and the success of the new group that forms.
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