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Originally Posted by Jason
I apologize.
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No problem. And thanks.
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But the results are the same. I tend to think all 4 references to ADO in Daniel speak of the same event. And since Jesus mentioned it in Matt 24, it cannot be before that time. Thus I don't see how Antiochus fits with the AOD.
Okay, how do you teach that the references in Daniel 8,9,11,12 to the AOD are 2 different events, seperated by a couple hundered years.
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First of all, the three accounts of abominations are in three separate chapters. Secondly, Antiochus fits the bill in every detail, which did happen well after Daniel foretold it would. If someone fulfilled something in every detail after a prophecy was given, I would say that it is a fulfillment. We simply cannot ignore Antiochus, when neither the bible limits all three accounts to one event, nor does it anywhere state that chapter 8 is speaking of chapter 9's event. We are left to sort things out properly and logically many times. Logic tells me there is nothing that says
Dan 8 and
Dan 11 are about the same thing as
Dan 9. However, Antiochus fits the bill perfectly for one of them, at least.
Thirdly, we know
Dan 9:27 is after Christ's day since Christ referred to it in Matt 24:15.
Also, the events listed in
Dan 8 match history with Antiochus in the fray. We need to know history. Verse 6's ram with two horns is widely known to be the Medes and Persians. West of Persia was Greece. A goat arose from the west with a notable horn, which was Alexander the Great. Alexander defeated the Medes and Persians just as the goat defeated the ram with two horns. And the goat waxed strong.
Even Daniel said the Medo Persian empire would be followed by the Greek empire.
Then the great horn was broken and four notable ones then arose, since Amexander's death moved the power of Greece to his four generals. Then another little horn comes from the goat. This is Antiochus Epiphanes. In this historical context, the anomination of 8:11-12 must be Antiochus.
Watch Daniels' explanation:
Daniel 8:20-21 KJV The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. (21) And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
So we know
Daniel 8 has to have occurred while GREECE was in power.
Watch this:
"And there came out of them a wicked root Antiochus surnamed Epiphanes, son of Antiochus the king, who had been an hostage at Rome, and he reigned in the hundred and thirty and seventh year of the kingdom of the Greeks.'' (
1 Maccabees 1:10)
Antiochus arose near the end of the Greek Empire just before Rome took it all.
DANIEL 11 deals with Persia and then Greece as well.
Daniel 11:2 KJV And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
Daniel 11:4 KJV And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.
Just as chapter 8 shows Alexander as a notable horn being broken and four others rising up, as the four generals of Alexander seized power, Dam 11 shows the same thing with FOUR WINDS rising.
King of the south is Egypt.
The daughter of the south going to the king of the north to make an agreement is and Egyptian daughter, Berenice, being given to Antiochus Theos as wife, perfectly fitting history.
It goes on with much history that would have to be explained that fits this scenerio perfectly, and when verse 21 occurs, the historical sequence shows Antiochus Epiphanes, who also perfectly fulfilled these passages by offering a swine to Jupiter in the temple of Jerusalem.
So, basically, to answer your question, the proof is historical events that match the series of prophecies in Dan 8 and Dan 11. Dan 9 does not show the kingdoms of Medo-Persia followed by Greece as Dan 8 and Dan 11 do. So we can see how those two chapters would deal with Antiochus, while Dan 9 would not. Dan 9 lacks all the details of events that parallel history between the testaments, but speaks of times after the interim period between the testaments, since 490 years spans the interim period and enters the NT time. Rome is the fourth beast and empire and it comes following Greece. And nothing in these chapters shows Roman events that can be matched with history, making us limit those chapters to pre-Roman empire times, when Antiochus did his dirty work. Rome was just before the NT era, and was still in power when Christ preached.
AGAIN!!!
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