Bishop SC Johnson

[sis_perez]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Paul said the Son of God passed into Heaven and he said the Son of God would come from Heaven. I liked the Bishop however I prefer to believe Paul.
When Jesus was on the earth Bishop Johnson said he was the Son of God yet there were NOT two persons. God as Spirit and the human body today God as Spirit and the glorified body. NOT two persons.

Steve, you said he said the son would come from heaven right? i do believe he was talking about what he had been. I do not deny the scripture. But still for some reason I am a little confused because, the scripture says, "Looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great GOD and our savior Jesus Christ Who gave HIMSELF- (SINGULAR) for us, that HE might redeem us from iniquity...... Can you explain that?? Sounds like God redeemed us and Jesus redeemed us? What you got to say Bossman?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by sis_perez

Steve, you said he said the son would come from heaven right? i do believe he was talking about what he had been. I do not deny the scripture. But still for some reason I am a little confused because, the scripture says, "Looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great GOD and our savior Jesus Christ Who gave HIMSELF- (SINGULAR) for us, that HE might redeem us from iniquity...... Can you explain that?? Sounds like God redeemed us and Jesus redeemed us? What you got to say Bossman?

The ONLY way the Son came from Heaven was God made a body through Mary and THAT which was born of her was called the Son of God. God was IN Christ to redeem us. That body was killed-resurrected-ascended into Heaven-and is coming back to recieve us. God IN Christ.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by sis_perez

Steve, you said he said the son would come from heaven right? i do believe he was talking about what he had been. I do not deny the scripture. But still for some reason I am a little confused because, the scripture says, "Looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great GOD and our savior Jesus Christ Who gave HIMSELF- (SINGULAR) for us, that HE might redeem us from iniquity...... Can you explain that?? Sounds like God redeemed us and Jesus redeemed us? What you got to say Bossman?

As Elder E has stated, God was IN Christ. God was manifested (made known) in the flesh.

As for the Scripture you cited which reads "great God AND our savior Jesus Christ..."

In the Greek, the English word and is kai, and it means and, also, which is, even.

In 1611 the Trinitarian translators believed in 3 Persons, thus made a distinction between God and Christ by using the word and.

The Bible is clear on this...the great God of heaven gave Himself, and it is He who redeemed us THROUGH the PERSON of Jesus Christ.

Jesus is the "express image" of God (Heb. 1:3), original meaning that He is the impressed or expression of His substance.

Everything that God was, is, and will ever be dwells in the Person of Jesus Christ.

Again, Sis. P, that's not another God...that's Oneness...one God reconciling the world unto Himself.

[mfblume]

it is not anti-oneness to say that GOD is distinguished from JESUS. The bible does do this many times. It is understood in such cases that GOD refers to the Father, just like GOD THE FATHER is in the bible but GOD THE SON is not. It is distinguishing sonship from fatherhood.

Rev 22 shows GOD AND THE LAMB after Rev 5 shows the LAMB going to the ONE on the throne. This is oneness! It's just that some folks never really understood that oneness does not deny a difference between offices of Son and Father, but denies a difference of PERSONS.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by mfblume

it is not anti-oneness to say that GOD is distinguished from JESUS. The bible does do this many times. It is understood in such cases that GOD refers to the Father, just like GOD THE FATHER is in the bible but GOD THE SON is not. It is distinguishing sonship from fatherhood.

Rev 22 shows GOD AND THE LAMB after Rev 5 shows the LAMB going to the ONE on the throne. This is oneness! It's just that some folks never really understood that oneness does not deny a difference between offices of Son and Father, but denies a difference of PERSONS.

Exactly...

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

it is not anti-oneness to say that GOD is distinguished from JESUS... The bible does do this many times... It is understood in such cases that GOD refers to the Father, just like GOD THE FATHER is in the bible but GOD THE SON is not... It is distinguishing sonship from fatherhood.Rev 22 shows GOD AND THE LAMB after Rev 5 shows the LAMB going to the ONE on the throne... This is oneness!.. It's just that some folks never really understood that oneness does not deny a difference between offices of Son and Father, but denies a difference of PERSONS.

Absolutely.

[sis_perez]

I only believe there is one God. His name is Jesus. Jesus is only Gods name! The is nothing in heaven but HIM! I can only come up with the same one that people are confused over. I dont know nothing about no 2 persons or two personalities. Steve do you Believe this?
Barb?
MFBlume?
I know Warrior dont believe this. The one that was in the world in the flesh was is the SAME ONE that made it. Are we all on the same page with this? Everything was done by the same one spirit. No son came from heaven , no son rose and no son went back to heaven. Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

[sis_perez]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

He did NOT know another God when the Son was on the earth did he? The Son is God the Father incarnate.

God said, before him there was no God formed and there wasnt going to be no God formed after him. So Steve are you saying that there still is a Son or are you plainly saying that Jesus Christ is God Almighty? Do you believe that Jesus lied when he said that he did not know no other God?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by sis_perez

I only believe there is one God. His name is Jesus... Jesus is only Gods name! The is nothing in heaven but HIM!.. I can only come up with the same one that people are confused over. I dont know nothing about no 2 persons or two personalities. Steve do you Believe this?Barb?MFBlume? I know Warrior dont believe this..... The one that was in the world in the flesh was is the SAME ONE that made it. Are we all on the same page with this? Everything was done by the same one spirit. No son came from heaven , no son rose and no son went back to heaven... Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

There is only one Person One God and His name is Jesus. That God who is Spirit overshadowed Mary and she conceived and bore the Son of God(who was God manifested in the flesh). That Son was killed-buried-rose from the dead and THAT resurrected body ascended into Heaven. Acts 1:9-11 That SAME body is returning to get His church. Phil. 3:20-21 And we shall see His face that sits on the throne. Rev. 22:4
There was NOT two gods when the Son of God was on the earth and there is No two gods today.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by sis_perez

God said, before him there was no God formed and there wasnt going to be no God formed after him. So Steve are you saying that there still is a Son or are you plainly saying that Jesus Christ is God Almighty? Do you believe that Jesus lied when he said that he did not know no other God?

Jesus was Almighty God when He was on the earth and He is Almighty God today. Nothing has changed with the exception His body was changed from mortal to immortality.