"Beards are sin!" False doctrine?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Imagine standing before this Judge... and reliving every word you've spoken when you've mocked, degraded, condemned, castigated, or segregated sincere and devout men with beards in the name of a tradition of man...

Gimme a break, Aquila. You're assuming this, or any other, picture is accurate?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I was looking up artistic depictions of Jesus. All have beards. But, most are unbiblical, depicting Jesus with long flowing locks of hair. So far, I keep running into this picture below... it seems more biblical than the long haired hippie Jesus I see all over the net:

Jesus is not homosexual. Most depictions and paintings of him are based on a homosexual model.

Also, he was not white or European.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

So, now we follow Alexander or Hadrian? We do not take our queues from the world. And, my God in Heaven, definitely not Esquire Magazine.

The ultimate question is - Is there Bible/Scripture/Word for such a standard? The answer is either yes, or it is no.

This is great, coming from a guy who almost always is posting articles, pictures and paintings from history and arguing we need historical proof that the new birth happened through the dark ages or God failed and hell prevailed!

Good grief.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

The words of the Disciple above take on a very real meaning when we would rather have respect for the words of men, than the example of Jesus. It has been referenced several times here, but is it not significant that if Jesus showed up in our services (in the flesh) that He would not be allowed on the platform? He really would be watched closely, not in a reverent way, but out of a suspicion for His lack of Spirituality. No one in our ranks would believe that it was Him. That would be evident just because He was wearing a beard. Surely Jesus would never do such a thing.

You and the other beardos are assuming Jesus would be wearing a robe and growing a beard today. What evidence do you have of this?

It was Jewish custom to grow a beard in Biblical days, as it was to wear a robe.

I don't not believe, were Jesus to appear in human form again today, he would be rocking a robe and sandals. I doubt he'd have a beard either.

But this argument that, "Jesus wouldn't be welcomed on your platforms" is absurd! Talk about feelz and an emotion-based statement.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If a church forbids those with beards on their platform... by their own words, Christ isn't welcome, unless they can show Scripture indicating that Jesus is now clean shaven.

Originally Posted by Aquila

they will stare into the eyes of a bearded Judge. And hear their own standard echoing in their ears... "Beards are not permitted on this platform.", as their bearded Judge turns to them with tear filled eyes saying, "My. How unfortunate."

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

I must confess that I do not wear a beard. I shave nearly every day. But the issue to me is that the doctrine is not in harmony with the scripture. If Jesus did wear a beard, which seems to be the consensus, and the apostles did, which seems to be the case, why are we as Apostolics preaching against them?

The words of the Disciple above take on a very real meaning when we would rather have respect for the words of men, than the example of Jesus. It has been referenced several times here, but is it not significant that if Jesus showed up in our services (in the flesh) that He would not be allowed on the platform? He really would be watched closely, not in a reverent way, but out of a suspicion for His lack of Spirituality. No one in our ranks would believe that it was Him. That would be evident just because He was wearing a beard. Surely Jesus would never do such a thing.

Is the regard for the words of men above the example of Jesus not a pretty solid case for idolatry?

Maybe men ARE gods to them!

Exactly! Why cant they see this? In their folly they have turned away MULTITUDES of good men, then using them as object lessons on pride and rebellion, and ultimately trillions of years in Hell.

And then how many men with a call to Preach are sitting on a pew not able to fulfill their ministry?

Yes these men pleasing "shave only" Pastors will give an account. What is needed is for one powerful Pastor or Evangelist or Prophet to stand up publickly and call out their false teaching! I dont believe it would take long if someone would lead the way!

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by n david

Jesus is not homosexual. Most depictions and paintings of him are based on a homosexual model.

Also, he was not white or European.

Brother, I'd like to ask you one question. I think we could all agree on your statements above. Jesus was not homosexual, white or European.

The question is did he have a beard.

Do you believe that Jesus had a beard?

I have noticed that you are really good at picking things that are on the periphery of the discussion and trying to deflect to that instead of addressing the issue.

When we were discussing the book of James, you would not address that the leaders were in sin, which James plainly stated. Instead you went off on a tangent about the rich man and the poor man being unsaved, which really was not even the issue. In regards to that discussion;

Did James say that the leaders of the church were sinning by showing favoritism to the rich man and discriminating against the poor man?

If you could just answer with yes or no to these two questions, and forego all the obfuscating and deflecting, I would really appreciate it. Otherwise I question if you are more interested in arriving at the truth, or winning an argument.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Aquila

they will stare into the eyes of a bearded Judge. And hear their own standard echoing in their ears... "Beards are not permitted on this platform.", as their bearded Judge turns to them with tear filled eyes saying, "My. How unfortunate."

It could well be it will bring an angry roar from the Lion Of Judah!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Wow, Aquila. This is pretty significant coming from a guy who typically is all about the feelz and culture. Also interesting the switch from putting more faith in what history and culture says than the Bible. Add to that the change from your usual posts promoting a holiday to condemning the only actual Christian holiday, calling it an abomination. Celebrating the Resurrection an abomination? First time I've heard that one.

Well, on the flip side, I find it ironic how I was raked across the coals about "feelz", cultural considerations, history, etc. for quite a while... and now once I choose to go strictly by the book... I'm finding that a number of detractors are living by standards based on "feelz", cultural considerations, and history.

You're right. There is some irony here. lol

As for holidays... again, strictly by the book...

"Easter" as we know it isn't a "Christian" holiday.

Fixing the date on which the Resurrection of Jesus was to be observed and celebrated triggered a major controversy in early Christianity in which an Eastern and a Western position can be distinguished. The dispute, known as the Paschal controversies, was not definitively resolved until the 8th century. In Asia Minor, Christians observed the day of the Crucifixion on the same day that Jews celebrated Passover—that is, on the 14th day of the first full moon of spring, 14 Nisan (see Jewish calendar). The Resurrection, then, was observed two days later, on 16 Nisan, regardless of the day of the week. In the West the Resurrection of Jesus was celebrated on the first day of the week, Sunday, when Jesus had risen from the dead. Consequently, Easter was always celebrated on the first Sunday after the 14th day of the month of Nisan. Increasingly, the churches opted for the Sunday celebration, and the Quartodecimans (“14th day” proponents) remained a minority. The Council of Nicaea in 325 decreed that Easter should be observed on the first Sunday following the first full moon after the spring equinox (March 21). Easter, therefore, can fall on any Sunday between March 22 and April 25.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Easter-holiday

The same reprobates that brought us the Trinity, brought us the "Easter" celebration as we know it. In addition, the rabbits, colored eggs, candies, cakes, buns, Sunrise services, are all commercialized aspects of paganism injected into the observance in our culture.

I'm not saying that it wrong to set aside a time to remember the resurrection of Christ. Esaias remembers Christ's resurrection by observing a "Christianized" Passover. I see no issue with that. But Easter as we know it today... it's an abomination.

And the standards against beards... are traditions of men elevated above the Word of God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Gimme a break, Aquila. You're assuming this, or any other, picture is accurate?

I don't have a single Scripture stating that the bodily resurrected Christ is now licensed with the UPCI and clean shaven so that He can be permitted on their platforms.