Bott '14 - Page 43

BuckeyeBukaroo · #**421** 06-12-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Besides the clip which captures him calling SG an idiot who needs brain surgery, there was a statement or statements made about Obama, which could be considered racist.

There's a reason POA did not allow any DVDs or CDs of JA's message to be copied and sold.

Sometimes the yanks are worse than the good ol' boys! No one is perfect, but some sins are more egregious than others.

BuckeyeBukaroo · #**422** 06-12-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

Many of them... gone. Not liberal. But reprobate.

The blind leading the blind...

n david · #**423** 06-12-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He has said that he was right about what he said, but wrong on the delivery. And I agree with him. It isn't his fault if people come into the church and don't act right when he lives a faithful life before God and his congregation.

I agree he was wrong on the delivery and I agree with his sentiment.

n david · #**424** 06-12-2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He isn't playing the victim. He shares his experiences throughout his preaching just like everyone else. He is right to say that the brethren threw him under the bus, because they did. I heard him say that he told someone, "Why do you hate me when God loves me?" He is right again.

And why is his dream weird when anger was trying to destroy his life over that incident of the contractor ripping his church off $100,000. He got blamed by many people and had to take it. He had someone come up to him in a restaurant and tell him off. Of course, anger is going to effect any dreams he may have. He also explained how he talked to God about helping him or he would lose his relationship and witness before God - which God did deliver him - faithful is our God.

No one hated him. No one threw him under the bus. There was valid reason to be upset with what was said. Period. Full stop.

I'm not interested in arguing over this again. It's well in the past, he's made apologies.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I see you are still criticizing while still not having a valid reason. He is a good man.

There is a valid reason for being upset with what was said. This is why he apologized and why POA did not allow DVDs or CDs of his sermon to be sold. Stop acting as though he was innocent.

He IS a good man. I'll repeat: JA is a good man. Good men make mistakes. You ignored where I said I liked JA. Also missed the thread I created a month or two ago with his message "Refuge from Despair."

One can disagree with what an individual says and still believe that individual is a good person. I don't hate JA. I watch and listen to his messages on YouTube all the time.

Pressing-On · #**425** 06-12-2018, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

The story about JA's dream (approx 50:00) is a bit weird.

If the comments I heard were about what happened at BOTT, I'm disappointed he's playing the victim.

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Originally Posted by n david

No one hated him. No one threw him under the bus. There was valid reason to be upset with what was said. Period. Full stop.

I'm not interested in arguing over this again. It's well in the past, he's made apologies.

There is a valid reason for being upset with what was said. This is why he apologized and why POA did not allow DVDs or CDs of his sermon to be sold. Stop acting as though he was innocent.

He IS a good man. I'll repeat: JA is a good man. Good men make mistakes. You ignored where I said I liked JA. Also missed the thread I created a month or two ago with his message "Refuge from Despair."

One can disagree with what an individual says and still believe that individual is a good person. I don't hate JA. I watch and listen to his messages on YouTube all the time.

Really? Don't say dumb things if you think he is a good person. And don't accuse him of doing something he is not doing - playing the victim.

Also, how long have you been in church and been dealt a few terrible dreams that kept you agonizing and troubled? It was a dumb thing to say that his dream was weird - it was reality for him in his situation.

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Originally Posted by n david

The story about JA's dream (approx 50:00) is a bit weird.

If the comments I heard were about what happened at BOTT, I'm disappointed he's playing the victim.

Evang.Benincasa · #**426** 06-12-2018, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

My lover's got humour
She's
the giggle at a funeral
Knows everybody's disapproval
I should've worshipped her sooner
If the Heavens ever did speak
She is the last true mouthpiece
Every Sunday's getting more bleak
A fresh poison each week
'We were born sick, ' you heard them say it
My church offers no absolutes
She tells me 'worship in the bedroom'
The only heaven I'll be sent to
Is when I'm alone with you
I was born sick, but I love it
Command me to be well
Amen, Amen, Amen
Take me to church
I'll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies
I'll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife
Offer me that deathless death
Good God, let me give you my life

I guess that's what made me think it was a female in the lyrics.

Evang.Benincasa · #**427** 06-12-2018, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

Ok. I just watched the video. One of the gay dudes buried a box
of secrets. They hang out together in public. Not knowing they’re being watched.
Some bad scenes..
Then a mob forms. Guys in hoodies with covered faces. They go to the home of one guy. He’s already gone. They go through the house, rough up his dad.

When this guy gets to his lovers house, he is gone.,, taken by the mob.
The guy running finds the mob beating his lover.

End..

I forgot, why did we need to know any of this?

n david · #**428** 06-12-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Really? Don't say dumb things if you think he is a good person. And don't accuse him of doing something he is not doing - playing the victim.

If what JA said in the message you posted is in reference to BOTT 14, then he is playing the victim.

But I still believe he's a good man and I have been blessed and enjoy his messages. And as I stated previously, which you also ignored, I believe he should be given another opportunity to preach at BOTT. He was one of the original sponsors and preached every BOTT until his dumb comments. I would love to see him preach there again. It'd be right to not have his last BOTT message be from '14.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Also, how long have you been in church and been dealt a few terrible dreams that kept you agonizing and troubled? It was a dumb thing to say that his dream was weird - it was reality for him in his situation.

No, it wasn't dumb to say. It was weird.

Evang.Benincasa · #**429** 06-12-2018, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Watched the message. I like Jeff Arnold. I have a YouTube playlist of dozens of JA's messages, from BOTT, other conferences and campmeetings and home church. He was wrong for what he said at BOTT. He said some dumb things, but we all do. He's getting pretty old, and I know he's had health issues in the past year or two. He should be given another opportunity to speak at BOTT again.

The story about JA's dream (approx 50:00) is a bit weird.

If the comments I heard were about what happened at BOTT, I'm disappointed he's playing the victim.

I went to 50:00 and you know what?

I really wish I didn't.

Evang.Benincasa · #**430** 06-12-2018, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Also, how long have you been in church and been dealt a few terrible dreams that kept you agonizing and troubled? It was a dumb thing to say that his dream was weird - it was reality for him in his situation.

800,000 of the church family's money.

I can understand no sleep, cold sweats, but holding a gun to a guy's temple?

That's some dream.