Do you think Two Church services a month is enough?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I wonder if I questioned the preachers who have known you about your integrity??????????????????

Have they ever been able to trust you??????????

Trust is a two-way street. And believe or not some so-called saints lies!

Also, you know who they are. Call them. I have nothing to hide.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't understand why people have this huge trust issue with pastors.

Preachers and pastors fail. They can't help but because they are men.

The fact that people fall has never ever affected my trust in them overall or in God either. You just have to learn and accept that men - all men - fail.

The Old Testament patriarchs and prophets and kings certainly did. So did NT disciples, leaders and saints.

Hello! It's a fact of life. Get a grip.

Wow, I hate it when people get so upset when a loved one dies. People die all the time! Young, old, men, women! It's a fact of life! They need to just get a grip

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Rico

Uh, sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Preachers aren't supposed to look to me to be their example. They're supposed to be my example. Paul said to follow him as he followed Christ, not that he would follow the people as they followed Christ. The responsibility for being setting the example falls on the ministry for the saints, not the other way around.

So this relieves you of any responsibility or integrity?

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't understand why people have this huge trust issue with pastors.

Preachers and pastors fail. They can't help but because they are men.

The fact that people fall has never ever affected my trust in them overall or in God either. You just have to learn and accept that men - all men - fail.

The Old Testament patriarchs and prophets and kings certainly did. So did NT disciples, leaders and saints.

Hello! It's a fact of life. Get a grip.

Amen Felicity.

This is truth.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

So this relieves you of any responsibility or integrity?

Didn't say that, did I?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't understand why people have this huge trust issue with pastors.

Preachers and pastors fail. They can't help but because they are men.

The fact that people fall has never ever affected my trust in them overall or in God either. You just have to learn and accept that men - all men - fail.

The Old Testament patriarchs and prophets and kings certainly did. So did NT disciples, leaders and saints.

Hello! It's a fact of life. Get a grip.

I do NOT know one preacher that would try to validate every preacher's faults and failures. They are human and yes some are even frauds. But I have met multitudes of so-called saints that have been frauds also some who were good people that failed and got back up again.

But this is NOT the topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The topic is some hate preachers and church and honestly they are as Paul said "haters of God" because they hate what God instituded and His ways.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Why are you always so mean to me? Snide comments? Excuse me? Epley can tell me to go to hell, and you think nothing of that, but I am acused of snide comments? Well, to this I say piffle! It's obvious that you dislike me and that you disagree with just amount everything I say. Perhaps the ignore button would be appropriate?

Sister, if you think I am always mean to little old you, then you have some ilarger issues to work out. I rarely dialog with you at all. I have not been mean to you here in the little time we have dialogged NOR did I even mention you here in my last post

If you read what I said, if you REALLY read what I said you will notice that I said these verses are for ALL OF us. ALL OF US US US US

Where do you find me thinking nothing of Epley saying someone is going to hell? Have you been following my every post that I have had with him and others?

Good grief.....

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Rico

Didn't say that, did I?

No you did not say that, but you did say this

Originally Posted by Rico
Uh, sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Preachers aren't supposed to look to me to be their example. They're supposed to be my example. Paul said to follow him as he followed Christ, not that he would follow the people as they followed Christ. The responsibility for being setting the example falls on the ministry for the saints, not the other way around.

and it caused me to ask the question.


So this relieves you of any responsibility or integrity?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Wow, I hate it when people get so upset when a loved one dies. People die all the time! Young, old, men, women! It's a fact of life! They need to just get a grip

Awwww Mich. You know what I mean sis. I'm really not trying to be flippant or dismiss the fact that people aren't affected when others who they trust fail and disappoint them. I know that it can be hurtful.

You see if I was perfect then I might have more of an issue with others who aren't. But because I'm not perfect and because I've made mistakes and failed then it's easier to understand how someone else might too. But that doesn't mean that their lives haven't been a blessing and help to many and that they can't be again either.

You have to keep the main thing the main thing. I think that when you trust God with all your heart it's easier to trust others and to understand that God trusts people enough to CALL THEM into ministry knowing full well that they will make mistakes along the way. This is important and perhaps if you look at it this way it might be helpful.

I hope so.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT know one preacher that would try to validate every preacher's faults and failures. They are human and yes some are even frauds. But I have met multitudes of so-called saints that have been frauds also some who were good people that failed and got back up again.

But this is NOT the topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The topic is some hate preachers and church and honestly they are as Paul said "haters of God" because they hate what God instituded and His ways.

Good post.

I can't understand why people would generally overall hate preachers. Without a preacher none of us would be saved.

I think that there are people who have issues with rebellion against any kind of authority and that includes spiritual authority as well.

The REAL issue isn't preachers who fail. The REAL issue is rebellion. IMO.

Please don't anyone stone me for saying that.