Ray Boltz????

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Let's look at the facts:

1. You did make assertions of coining and inventing the word Apostolica in at least two statements.

2. You demonstrated pride in others such as myself using a word you coined/invented/derived.

3. You appealed to an "authority" (Renda) in trying to substantiate your claim.

4. You then retracted/spinned/squirmed saying words are not invented but derived ... hence you derived the word Apostolica to mean a group of people not an abstract notion. Still claiming somehow proprietary rights to a term that is used in various contexts other than the one you seem to want to make the word to mean.

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Now more myths that need to be addressed, my sub-erudite friend:

1. Many words are invented everyday.

In the world of lexicography, there is the art/science of new words created/coined/invented called neologisms.

A neologism (from Greek neo = "new" + logos = "word") is a word that, although devised relatively recently in a specific time period, has been accepted into a mainstream language.

By definition, neologisms are "new", and as such are often directly attributable to a specific individual, publication, period, or event. The term "neologism" was coined in 1803, [1] so in the early nineteenth century, the word "neologism"—was a neologism.

Source: http://wapedia.mobi/en/neologism

Furthermore, the word invent connotes producing or contrivjng (something previously unknown) by the use of ingenuity or imagination ... yet from a source that has existed ...

Hence ... closely tied to deriving which means to obtain or receive from a source ... to infer or deduce.


2. Words by their definition are values given to abstract notions or concrete/tangible elements. The people you seek to describe in the word you claim to describe .... admittedly are a group people who are part of the Apostolic church.

If this be true ... than you, sir, are falsely owning the term Apostolica which has been used to describe the Apostolic church by many a scholar for generations in our vernacular.

We may disagree who this Church is today ... as everyone from Mormons, Catholics, OPs to Baptists stake claim ...

nonetheless ... all believe that the first century church would be part of Apostolica ...

Here is one scholar who uses it IN THE EARLY 1800'S to describe the Apostolic church in similar context to how we are using to describe the Apostolic church:



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Source:
The history of theThe history of the Acts of the holy apostles confirmed from other authors
By Richard Biscoe
Published by , 1829
Original from Oxford University
Digitized Aug 30, 2007
http://books.google.com/books?id=e38...esult#PPA54,M1

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What I see transpiring here is a pathetic paradox with a seemingly bright young man ....

You have fallen into the trap of the very conservatives you've lambasted in the past ... in believing that WE'VE JUST ARRIVED.


*** This all said and done w/ a public school education ... and a BA and MS in History and Education respectively. *****

Foxnews: Farmer Dan killed his milk cow today. Poor creature was a victim of Dan's obsession with the fly spinning around the cow's head. Dan was reported to have a 25lb sledge hammer that he could barely lift and unfortunatley hit his beloved daisy square between the eyes. We here at Foxnews sure hope that Dan can get milk from that horsefly...if he would only let go of the hammer he obviously can't control.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Margies3

Sherri, do you think that there is some validity to the statement that people make when they say they were "born that way"? I don't know. I wonder about it sometimes because we've all known little boys who acted very effeminate. And then we've seen those same little boys grow up to be openly gay.

Please don't take me wrong. I am IN NO WAY saying that I believe that it is ok to be gay. I absolutely believe that the homosexual lifestyle is sin.

My question is: If that is the case - and I believe it is - then why would God create some people with those kinds of natural tendencies?

Or are they just making it up from day one?

I don't know an answer. I just question. I do know however that it is amazing to me how many 'artsy-fartsy' people end up "coming out of the closet" at some point. Wonder why that would be???

I think this is sad. Just sad.

Genetic abberrations are the result of man's fallen and sinful nature. We were all conceived in sin and born in iniquity. In our flesh there is NO good thing. When a gay person says that they were born gay, they're essentially admitting that they were born with this disposition in their sin nature, which they've had since birth (technically conception). While you and I do not struggle with this in our flesh....they do. Now the question is...can we administer grace and healing to those who have this infirmity?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

They are not natural tendencies Margie, and the Word tells us that. That it is unnatural for men to lie with men, and women to lie with women. It is an abomination to God. He did not make Ray Boltz or any other gay/lesbian that way. It is a life they chose themselves for earthly pleasures that last for a season but that can send their souls to hell for eternity. That is what the Word tells us.

There are simese twins are unnatural also. I think it's important to remember...we're all born "unnatural". Sin is unnatural. We were born to live holy. However, since the fall this flesh has had PROBLEMS and genetic issues predisposing it to sinful inclinations. For the homosexual, their flesh is a prison with desires they'd much rather not have....yet they have them anyway.

Also knowledge of pharamones and attraction is valuable. Scientific studies have shown that homosexual brains respond to pharamone and hormonal samples of the same gender in blind tests. While "straight" brains respond to pharamone and hormonal samples from the opposite gender.

It's unnatural....but it may ver well be rooted in the "flesh"...scientifically defined as, their biology.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Aquila

There are simese twins are unnatural also. I think it's important to remember...we're all born "unnatural". Sin is unnatural. We were born to live holy. However, since the fall this flesh has had PROBLEMS and genetic issues predisposing it to sinful inclinations. For the homosexual, their flesh is a prison with desires they'd much rather not have....yet they have them anyway.

Also knowledge of pharamones and attraction is valuable. Scientific studies have shown that homosexual brains respond to pharamone and hormonal samples of the same gender in blind tests. While "straight" brains respond to pharamone and hormonal samples from the opposite gender.

It's unnatural....but it may ver well be rooted in the "flesh"...scientifically defined as, their biology.

This sounds like an argument that is trying to prove that all men are dogs.

Scientific studies in what, rats? Mice? Labrador Retrievers?

Your premise that ...genetic issues predisposing it to sinful inclinations couldn't be more wrong. Your reference to a supposed clinical and physicial condition dictating an abstract outcome is untenable.

Sin is caused by the fact that we are fallible, fallen creatures and morally and spiritually bankrupt. Homosexuality and hetro-promiscuity, drug addiction, etc., is an individual's fleshly attempt to make up for that deficiency.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Aquila

There are simese twins are unnatural also. I think it's important to remember...we're all born "unnatural". Sin is unnatural. We were born to live holy. However, since the fall this flesh has had PROBLEMS and genetic issues predisposing it to sinful inclinations. For the homosexual, their flesh is a prison with desires they'd much rather not have....yet they have them anyway.

Also knowledge of pharamones and attraction is valuable. Scientific studies have shown that homosexual brains respond to pharamone and hormonal samples of the same gender in blind tests. While "straight" brains respond to pharamone and hormonal samples from the opposite gender.

It's unnatural....but it may ver well be rooted in the "flesh"...scientifically defined as, their biology.

I can't believe I am going to say this but....good post.

And for the record, this does nothing to assuage the need for abstinence from this behavior. Repentance and deliverance is still necessary.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I can't believe I am going to say this but....good post.

And for the record, this does nothing to assuage the need for abstinence from this behavior. Repentance and deliverance is still necessary.

I thought the post was ignorant. Sorry.

I don't believe in genetic victimization.

My dad died an alcoholic, I have never been drunk in my life.

Aquila's conclusion is flat meaningless.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

This sounds like an argument that is trying to prove that all men are dogs.

Give me a break. We do have a biological aspect to our nature.

Scientific studies in what, rats? Mice? Labrador Retrievers?

No, human beings.

Your premise that ...genetic issues predisposing it to sinful inclinations couldn't be more wrong. Your reference to a supposed clinical and physicial condition dictating an abstract outcome is untenable.

You remind me of the bishops who tried to break Galileo's telescope because he proposed a heliocentric model of the Solar System. lol

Bro...all this means is that man's nature is corrupted from the fall down to his very basic genetic level. Even the biological process of aging is the result of the fall on our biology.

Sin is caused by the fact that we are fallible, fallen creatures and morally and spiritually bankrupt. Homosexuality and hetro-promiscuity, drug addiction, etc., is an individual's fleshly attempt to make up for that deficiency.

I think that you're only looking at the spiritual side of this. There is a biological side also. Those who have been "delivered" from homosexuality were delivered by the miraculous healing power of God. The homosexual needs to repent of sin, plead for God's grace, and pray for a COMPLETE healing in body (genetics), soul (mind), and spirit (eternal essence). The new birth only regenerates the spirit. The soul continues to need correction through teaching....that's why we attend regular bible studies. We often neglect the body and sins effects on our physical nature. Our bodies need regeneration also...that's the role of "healing". The homosexual who is saved needs to be healed from the inside out...not just on the inside. They need their whole person regenerated.

It's sad to me. Because it's like we're doctors that have the cure for this disease...but we're throwing stones and accusations at our patients. That's one reason why the Church is such a farce.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Dan, really, you need to get your pasty self into the outdoors...ya know get a hobby or something.

Fellas like you are always bitter and try responding by using words from thesaraus.com in retrospect when your lack of intelligence or insight is revealed.

Go back and read what I wrote about words not being invented but derived.

Your public school education did teach you how to read right? I only ask because it is not that apparent.

Astute observations.

When ideas fail, words always come in handy.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I thought the post was ignorant. Sorry.

I don't believe in genetic victimization.

My dad died an alcoholic, I have never been drunk in my life.

Aquila's conclusion is flat meaningless.

Kick and scream...you won't change the facts.

If your father was an alcoholic there is a good chance that you're genetically predisposed to alcohol addiction also. DON'T start drinking. You'll awaken the beast in your flesh that you may have inhereted from your father.

Genetics often effect how our body produces and responds to hormones. One who is an alcoholic has a disposition of excessive hormonal response in relation to alcohol rendering the "high" to be very substantial increasing the likelihood of dependency. Some folks can pick up a drink on the weekend or in the evening and be fine and quit whenever they like for long periods. Others, it can begin a chain reaction that triggers an addiction.

We can become so heavenly minded that we're no earthly good. We're also flesh and blood. Don't forget that.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What if that sin is covered by the blood and when God beholds the sinner...he sees the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ?

I'd agree with you...without the blood...God and sin cannot coexist. We're all sinners. The only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost (attributing the Work of the Spirit to Satan). If God can have grace on an anger ridden preacher who struggles with anger and bitterness....why can't God have grace on a homosexual who pleads for God's forgiveness for their sin?

I think if a homosexual refuses to see it as sin they will refuse to take it to the Lord to receive his grace. But if they acknowledge it as sin and ask his grace, he forgives and sees that individual through the blood....though they may be homosexual their entire lives long.

My point is God does not wink at sin. Any sin. If unrepentant He will not abide with a person. I think that is the gist of this man's words, God made him this way so he doesn't need forgiveness or deliverance from this particular sin.