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[Sean]

Now Shag, look at this....


8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.



When Jesus returns to Millennial Israel, then the perfect One(Jesus) will cause the(partial) Gifts of the Spirit to cease!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Sean what does a group of people forming a nation calling themselves Jews have to do with prophecy. These people you want to claim to be the children of God, are of the same mind set as the religious leaders that put Christ on the cross.

Paul said they, as enemies of the gospel, were beloved of God, Loren....

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.



For Israel only....
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.(to God, it is set in stone)




There is not one place is scripture that says God will restore the nation of Israel. The only way they can be saved is the same way all of us are saved, by calling on the name of the Lord. Which they will never do because the don't believe in Christ.

Sorry bro., you must think that the church REPLACES Israel in these hundreds of passages, regarding future Millennial Israel.

Lets' face it...You preterists and most of the others, teach replacement theology. I have minister friends that unwittingly teach replacement theology that are amazed when I show them they are teaching it.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

I guess you don't believe the words of Christ.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

You might notice that they were not condemned by the law, but rather because the did not believe in the name of the begotten son of God.

Yes, the believer in Jesus Christ is NOT condemned indeed, yet the SINNER is indeed judged by the Law....


1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth(continues to commit) sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


This passage was written decades after the cross, and in the PRESENT TENSE.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Sean

Now Shag, look at this....


8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.



When Jesus returns to Millennial Israel, then the perfect One(Jesus) will cause the(partial) Gifts of the Spirit to cease!

Sean, I have heard this preached for years, erroneously of course.

Define "That".

You define "that" as Jesus. Jesus is not a "That" He is a "Who".

The problem with your thinking is that you are parroting the line of the dipees who have went before you.

You have a definition problem with this verse.

Study out "That" and get back to us.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Sean

Sorry bro., you must think that the church REPLACES Israel in these hundreds of passages, regarding future Millennial Israel.

Lets' face it...You preterists and most of the others, teach replacement theology. I have minister friends that unwittingly teach replacement theology that are amazed when I show them they are teaching it.

Again Sean, you are parroting the speech of the dispees who have went before you.

Erroneously of course.

We don't teach replacement theology, we teach fulfillment theology.

Big difference.

Study it out and get back to us if you are serious.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Define "That". Jesus is not a "That" He is a "Who".
Study out "That" and get back to us.

ha, good point.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Sean, I have heard this preached for years, erroneously of course.

Define "That".

You define "that" as Jesus. Jesus is not a "That" He is a "Who".

The problem with your thinking is that you are parroting the line of the dipees who have went before you.

You have a definition problem with this verse.

Study out "That" and get back to us.

"That" is Jesus and His subsequent Millennial kingdom.....


Look at chapter 1 of the same book....

1 Corinthians 1King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Sean

Sorry bro., you must think that the church REPLACES Israel in these hundreds of passages, regarding future Millennial Israel.

Lets' face it...You preterists and most of the others, teach replacement theology. I have minister friends that unwittingly teach replacement theology that are amazed when I show them they are teaching it.

Sean you don't know what the term replacement theology is. The church is the Israel of God. Just as Jesus told the religious leaders of his day.

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

If Christ did not consider those that rejected him in his day, how then do you say that the nation of Israel today are God's children, by nationality.

Even Paul taught that nationality no longer determined a child of God.

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Jesus said in Mark 16, he that believes shall be saved but he that believes not shall be damned. Do you not get that? All those that don't believe are no longer children of Abraham, regardless of nationality by birth.
That means All Israel that are saved are those that believe the good news, not those that call themselves Jews.
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[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Sean

"That" is Jesus and His subsequent Millennial kingdom.....


Look at chapter 1 of the same book....

1 Corinthians 1King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Nope. Wrong again Sean.

Study out "that" that is going to be matured. Perfect means mature. It is not Jesus and His millenial kingdom. Jesus is already perfect,.

Study Sean, Study.

Keep trying, you'll come to it.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Sean you don't know what the term replacement theology is. The church is the Israel of God. Just as Jesus told the religious leaders of his day.

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

If Christ did not consider those that rejected him in his day, how then do you say that the nation of Israel today are God's children, by nationality.

Even Paul taught that nationality no longer determined a child of God.

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Jesus said in Mark 16, he that believes shall be saved but he that believes not shall be damned. Do you not get that? All those that don't believe are no longer children of Abraham, regardless of nationality by birth.
That means All Israel that are saved are those that believe the good news, not those that call themselves Jews.
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Amen. Fulfillment theology, not replacement theology.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

The Church did not replace Israel, Israel was but a shadow of the Church. The Church was the fulfillment of what Israel was to teach.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Physical Israel was the shadow of the Body, the Church.

Again, not replacement but fulfillment.