Welcome Azzan Thread

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Just as I thought.

You came up empty.

I asked you FIRST to post examples of where anyone has pushed to accept sin. YOU, sir, are the one who has repeatedly fired blanks.

I asked first. Be a gentleman and acknowledge that and do first what you're demanding of me. Be the first partaker. When you do, I will.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by notofworks

......and my offer still stand to have a public discussion of Charnock's sins. If he's willing to open up about any of them, and I'm sure there are several, I'm sure we could focus on those for a while.

This appears to be an attack on my character.

You first.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Charnock

This appears to be an attack on my character.

You first, Renda.

Me first, what?

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I asked you FIRST to post examples of where anyone has pushed to accept sin. YOU, sir, are the one who has repeatedly fired blanks.

I asked first. Be a gentleman and acknowledge that and do first what you're demanding of me. Be the first partaker. When you do, I will.

Hold your breath on that one.

I'm a big game hunter. I don't follow rabbit trails.

Now go away, Pressing On is here, and I actually enjoy her opinions.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by notofworks

......and my offer still stand to have a public discussion of Charnock's sins. If he's willing to open up about any of them, and I'm sure there are several, I'm sure we could focus on those for a while.

Stop, please.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Woman at the well.

Nope, not true. He said:

1) "Please give me a drink."

2) "If you only knew the gift God has for you and who I am, you would ask me, and I would give you living water."

3) "People soon become thirsty again after drinking this water. But the water I give them takes away thirst altogether. It becomes a perpetual spring within them, giving them eternal life."

4) "Go and get your husband,"


Jesus offered his grace, love, acceptance, and solutions BEFORE he named the problem.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Hold your breath on that one.

I'm a big game hunter. I don't follow rabbit trails.

Now go away, Pressing On is here, and I actually enjoy her opinions.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Hold your breath on that one.

I'm a big game hunter. I don't follow rabbit trails.

Now go away, Pressing On is here, and I actually enjoy her opinions.

But you want me to. Nice.

Charnock, if you're able to link to a post in this thread where anyone has attempted to get you to accept sin, I'll mail you a check for $10,000.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Nope, not true. He said:

1) "Please give me a drink."

2) "If you only knew the gift God has for you and who I am, you would ask me, and I would give you living water."

3) "People soon become thirsty again after drinking this water. But the water I give them takes away thirst altogether. It becomes a perpetual spring within them, giving them eternal life."

4) "Go and get your husband,"


Jesus offered his grace, love, acceptance, and solutions BEFORE he named the problem.

He did not accept her sin. He immediately began to witness and effect change.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Charnock

We are only witnesses when we speak against sin, and for the life-changing power of Jesus Christ.

Seems no one was really interested in regeneration, only tolerance.

Leaving someone to die in their sin is the most unloving, uncaring action I could ever imagine.

But this should be done, as mentioned previously, in a spirit of MEEKNESS. That's what the BIBLE says. I haven't seen much meekness in your posts. Saying you're being harsh for balance doesn't cut it. The Bible didn't tell us to be harsh for balance, it said to correct in a spirit of meekness.

Sometimes we can become so proud of ourselves for "standing against sin" that we fall into sin ourselves. The sin of pride. The sin of turning people away from Jesus because of our haughty attitudes.

I've said several times that I think someone choosing to live a homosexual lifestyle is no different than someone choosing to live an adulterous lifestyle. Both are sin. But I haven't seen anyone on this thread tell Azzan that that's fine - live actively as a homosexual, God doesn't care. I think Azzan is very clear about how the majority of the forum feels about that. And I KNOW that if he is being influenced positively toward Christ, it's going to be from the people who are being kind to him, not the ones who are grandstanding.

I've thought about this a lot, and it's easy for us to flex our muscles and pound our chests when it's not our family or close friends who are struggling with this issue.... but what if some day it's your child, or grandchild, that battles with this? We can stick our heads in the sand all we want, but some people REALLY DO have a deep, serious struggle with this issue. If it's your grandchild, how do we approach it? How do we want others to approach it? By beating them about the head and shoulders with condemnation? They already know all about condemnation. If it was my grandchild, I'd approach them with lots and lots of love. I'd never sway in my declaration that they could not live in the sin, but I'd know that I'd never win them by being harsh.

As NOW said, we're all scared to death of this subject. We simply don't know how to deal with it. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could start seeing real deliverance in this area, and have people with testimonies who can really minister to others? Unfortunately, our testimonies are few and far between because we're too scared to show love.

And NO!! Love isn't saying "I'm okay, you're okay"!! But it also isn't pounding people over the head. They KNOW how most Christians feel about homosexuality. It's not like they're going to forget if we don't remind them every other sentence.