The UPC is a dying movement! - Page 41

Carl · #**401** 10-31-2016, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, the problem might be that it is the people who are the Church, and there is no other Church but the people, so, the UPCI is an organization, not a church. It is an attempt to organize the Church. Hmm. So, instead of the Church being made up of the members of the Body, the Church is being made into an organ of...something else. Now we are not talking about congregations...until they accept being an organ of something else.

And even this may not describe a person, who happens to be there in the congregation, because they may not consider themselves a...member...is a member the same as an organ? Yes, it is. So when you become a member, you become an organ, to whatever it is that you have joined. Whaddya think?

This is like reading Fox In Sox.

Godsdrummer · #**402** 10-31-2016, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jito463

Funny, our service this morning certainly didn't feel dead.

That is a matter of opinion, The life of a group is not metered by the number running the aisles. Rather the number of new people that come into the kingdom.

Godsdrummer · #**403** 10-31-2016, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, the problem might be that it is the people who are the Church, and there is no other Church but the people, so, the UPCI is an organization, not a church. It is an attempt to organize the Church. Hmm. So, instead of the Church being made up of the members of the Body, the Church is being made into an organ of...something else. Now we are not talking about congregations...until they accept being an organ of something else.

And even this may not describe a person, who happens to be there in the congregation, because they may not consider themselves a...member...is a member the same as an organ? Yes, it is. So when you become a member, you become an organ, to whatever it is that you have joined. Whaddya think?

I think you are on to something here. Face it all religious organizations are based on one mans doctrines. Not the teachings of Christ. Oh yah they have the teachings of Christ in some ways, but the primary teachings are based on one mans "revelation".

Lutheran, Martin Luther. Don't have the list before me but it is a long one.

Bottom line the church of God "body of Christ" did not have a banner over the door. They did not have a set of bylaws except the scripture.
It is my opinion, the minuet a group begins to define bylaws they become like the sects of Christ day, and become a side issue. While individuals make up the body and may at the same time be part of the organization, the organization is as dead as the sect of Pharisee's in Christ day.

Godsdrummer · #**404** 10-31-2016, 10:06 AM

Oh and by the way, just because you have a move of God in the local church does not make the organization any less dead.

shag · #**405** 10-31-2016, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Oh and by the way, just because you have a move of God in the local church does not make the organization any less dead.

I'm sorry L, I misunderstood something somehwhere somehow.

shazeep · #**406** 11-01-2016, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl

This is like reading Fox In Sox.

THE CAT IN THE oops hat knows a lot about that. or maybe Green Eggs are better. wish i could do better, but there's nothing for me to do, hmm. if you ask a specific question, i can give you a specific answer. maybe. ask the this! ask the that! ask the cat in the hat!

shazeep · #**407** 11-01-2016, 09:41 AM

prolly you think i'm having fun or something, speaking in tongues, huh.
but you have to bring your elderly parents, even if you would rather be playing with your doG, ok.

Amanah · #**408** 11-01-2016, 09:48 AM

Just because a church is under the umbrella of an organization, that does not mean that it can't be a thriving, growing part of the body of Christ.

Don't let a root of bitterness cause you to have hatred and division in your hearts against your brothers and sisters in Christ.

shazeep · #**409** 11-01-2016, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

Just because a church is under the umbrella of an organization, that does not mean that it can't be a thriving, growing part of the body of Christ.

can this be?
can that be?
there are two here in me!

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Originally Posted by Amanah

Don't let a root of bitterness cause you to have hatred and division in your hearts against your brothers and sisters in Christ.

yes, beware of the leaven. yo urego (yo uridol)

shazeep · #**410** 11-01-2016, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

prolly you think i'm having fun or something, speaking in tongues, huh.
but you have to bring your elderly parents, even if you would rather be playing with your doG, ok.

see that even God Himself cannot make you change.
an interesting reflection;
you were a child, and grew up;
but you cannot point to the day
you became an adult. can you.
so, something changed, but you cannot
put your finger on how, when, or why?
you changed by yourself, and became accountable.
and in the process you became separated.

What I am saying is that as long as an heir is underage, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate.