we did a study on this. I'm probably wasting my time with folks who do not believe in gender distinction but anyways,
I tim 2:9 woman are to ADORN themselves , that word " adorn" is in reference to a long Robe like garment. Men and women did both wear Robes then but they had their own way of distingushing from male and female.
the phrase " gird up the loins" was in refernce to men. they would tuck it into a belt like holder with a pant like garment underneath. this was something that the women did not wear
Elijah, " girded up his loins when he ran... " can't recall exact scripture on it now
The only difference in these descriptions of clothing, was that one was tailored for men and the other tailored for women. That is exactly what HO described about women's and men's pants today. They are similar, yet tailored for the opposite sexes, just as the robes you described above. The same is true all over the world today, so why can't we just be honest and confess that many "apostolics" are holding unbiblical standards. In other words "much ado about nothing".
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I still disagree that focusing on individual and personal apparel is an effective way to deal with the cultural decay that you describe. If the Word of God, simply taught by the Spirit does not prevent this decay in the church, then I will not be prevented. If folks hearts are turned toward God, they will be "transformed" and will not be "pressed into the mold of the culture."
If you preach a negative gospel, of how powerful the devil, sin and world is, then you will build negative faith and will produce the very thing you do not desire.
PREACH THE LIFE CHANGING GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, AND HE WILL TRANSFORM THE HEARERS. Blessings.
im no hardliner by any stretch and no offense, but the soft suited willow creek style gospel that panders to sinners so not to offend them is not working out. what we need is a real revival in america period (even in pentecost!) and with i believe will come real conviction including girls not wanting to wear sudective or male clothing and men will take their rightful places as well
im no hardliner by any stretch and no offense, but the soft suited willow creek style gospel that panders to sinners so not to offend them is not working out. what we need is a real revival in america period (even in pentecost!) and with i believe will come real conviction including girls not wanting to wear sudective or male clothing and men will take their rightful places as well
What would a real revival look like in your view? What would it look like six months later? I believe there is real revival happening in many places in America. There is alot of shallowness in the most visible (tv ministries, etc) but there is much happening that is not so visible.
God is not a failure He will complete what He has begun. Sin, the devil and the world will not hinder His purpose, so no need to wring the hands.
Thanks for a lively exchange, I'm off to bed.
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we did a study on this. I'm probably wasting my time with folks who do not believe in gender distinction but anyways,
I tim 2:9 woman are to ADORN themselves , that word " adorn" is in reference to a long Robe like garment. Men and women did both wear Robes then but they had their own way of distingushing from male and female.
the phrase " gird up the loins" was in refernce to men. they would tuck it into a belt like holder with a pant like garment underneath. this was something that the women did not wear
Elijah, " girded up his loins when he ran... " can't recall exact scripture on it now
Thad, I suggest you not listen to people speak on this subject but study it out for yourself. I say this with all sincerety. "Adorn" doesn't refer in any way to a robe-like garment since it's a verb, and a garment is a noun.
There is no Biblical proof to anything you say above, but it instead is the propaganda reported by those who preach the standards gospel.
The girding up of loins wasn't speaking of a pant-like garment since men, except for priests, didn't wear anything underneath their robes, not even underwear. What do you think the job of the gatekeeper was?
Women are also told to gird up their loins.
Isa 32:11
Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones: strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins.
The girding of the loins was speaking about putting clothing about oneself. It wasn't uncommon for men to remove their clothing when relaxing. There appears to be a man's way of doing it, as well as a woman's way of doing it by the verse here:
Job 38:3
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
If girding the loins was only a man's issue, why the command to do so like a man?
Educate yourself, Thad. After two years of 'preaching' this issue on the internet as you are doing, I had to study it for myself instead of repeating things I'd heard all my life. I found out that things weren't Biblical as they were told to me.
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and should a man have the previldge of going into a Man's dept and buying dresses that are made for men only ?? perhaps the dress is made of manly material?? the key word is "PERTAIN". these garments would still pertain to a womans apparrel.
maybe most of the culture does except whatever attire( and lifestyle)but it doesn't mean that God is pleased with it. i
What culture says that pants pertain to men? The US? The US now writes the Bible for the rest of the culture? Cause that's what you are saying by making statements about the girding of the loins meaning pants and such nonsense. You are saying that dress-like garments are for women and pant-like garments are for men, right? This would have to apply to all cultures all over the globe, and that can't be done.
This also becomes a problem since men for thousands of years wore a dress-like garment and God never said anything different. Why did men change their apparel and why? Did God say they could? How do you Biblically justify wearing pants today, Thad?
Like you said, maybe most of the culture does accept whatever attire (and lifestyle) but that doesn't mean God is pleased with it. This applies to men wearing pants also.
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im no hardliner by any stretch and no offense, but the soft suited willow creek style gospel that panders to sinners so not to offend them is not working out. what we need is a real revival in america period (even in pentecost!) and with i believe will come real conviction including girls not wanting to wear sudective or male clothing and men will take their rightful places as well
I don't believe women or men should wear seductive clothing, but I see women do that all the time while wearing skirts and dresses and standing in the pulpit too, yet they are excused because they have the uniform on. The only time I've ever heard preaching against tight clothing is in regard to women wearing pants. That's a shame.
Thad, if you buy a pair of women's pants, will people think you are wearing men's apparel, or will they ask why you are wearing women's pants? Be honest.
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I have to wonder how Sodom and Gomorrah got so bad when people were wearing what they should have been wearing in that day. From comments on this thread, perversion is strongly generated by people dressing like the other gender!
Wearing apparel belonging to the other sex isn't wrong in and of itself. Otherwise this means that any woman wearing her husband's suit coat when she's cold would be sinning in doing so.
The true intent of Deut. 22:5 is referring to one gender dressing as the other gender in an attempt to be that gender. This is in line with the other scriptures that have to do with perversion.
If wearing apparel belonging to the other gender was such a sin, that verse wouldn't be alone in the OT, but would be mentioned other times, especially in the NT somewhere. It would be too important to be lost somewhere in the OT lawbooks.
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Thad, I suggest you not listen to people speak on this subject but study it out for yourself. I say this with all sincerety. "Adorn" doesn't refer in any way to a robe-like garment since it's a verb, and a garment is a noun.
There is no Biblical proof to anything you say above, but it instead is the propaganda reported by those who preach the standards gospel.
The girding up of loins wasn't speaking of a pant-like garment since men, except for priests, didn't wear anything underneath their robes, not even underwear. What do you think the job of the gatekeeper was?
Women are also told to gird up their loins.
Isa 32:11
Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones: strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins.
The girding of the loins was speaking about putting clothing about oneself. It wasn't uncommon for men to remove their clothing when relaxing. There appears to be a man's way of doing it, as well as a woman's way of doing it by the verse here:
Job 38:3
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
If girding the loins was only a man's issue, why the command to do so like a man?
Educate yourself, Thad. After two years of 'preaching' this issue on the internet as you are doing, I had to study it for myself instead of repeating things I'd heard all my life. I found out that things weren't Biblical as they were told to me.
Do you think I could study it out better then people who prayed for hours every day and were great women and men of God ? why would they tell us these things just to suppress us ? I realize SOME carried things to far they was well meaning.
then there those who have studied this indepth that are degreed such as Bro Seagraves. are you saying he is a false teacher ? i couldn't study it out better then he.
as for the scirptures that you gave, im going to go back over my notes and reply to that later
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