Tulsa Report Day 2

[PastorD]

Originally Posted by George

A man who convinced many to leave Michigan and follow him to California.

....door opens and stage left enters Barb.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by George

A man who convinced many to leave Michigan and follow him to California.

I wonder how many members of The Rock in the past or currently once belonged to other churches in the Sacramento area?

Probably a lot. After all, NW is a great pastor no question about it.

[KarenJo]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

I wonder how many members of The Rock in the past or currently once belonged to other churches in the Sacramento area?

Probably a lot. After all, NW is a great pastor no question about it.

I am sure there is a good number from other churches. NW is a good man. Very progressive in his Music, Web Site, etc. That's why I was surprised that he was a part of this.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by KarenJo

I am sure there is a good number from other churches. NW is a good man. Very progressive in his Music, Web Site, etc. That's why I was surprised that he was a part of this.

If some Tulsa attendees actually knew how "progressive" folks are at the Rock, not just in music but in dress, hairstyle, and fashion, and internet video (TV like) production they may think twice about becoming a part.

Not that all of these things are particularly wrong in my opinion, but they are certain to ruffle the feathers of many conservative men seeking solace from the soon to be apostate UPC.

[George]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

If some Tulsa attendees actually knew how "progressive" folks are at the Rock, not just in music but in dress, hairstyle, and fashion, and internet video (TV like) production they may think twice about becoming a part.

Not that all of these things are particularly wrong in my opinion, but they are certain to ruffle the feathers of many conservative men seeking solace from the soon to be apostate UPC.

I was told an out-of-state/town student dropped out of their school because they felt too much pressure to keep up with the fashion parade at every service.

[lad]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

And he was not even at the Tampa conference to use his influence to defeat resolution 4. I wonder why? Perhaps if he had gone to Tampa, there would have been no Tulsa.

As I recall.... his wife's father had just passed away (he lived right next door to them) .... and she needed to have a time of grieving - with the loving support of her husband (NW) ... so he took her away for a few days break. Simply a matter of your family taking priority over a conference! Thank God!

[Dan]

Originally Posted by connielori

You obiviously don't know DR. W_________. He certainly doesn't have to be at the head of ANYTHING to have 'power'. Dr. W____________ is success personified. Take a trip to CA, and visit his church. Get an education on the growth and revival his church has experienced from his leadership....in a very small amount of time. Read a couple of his books. This is a GREAT man. A powerful man of God.....who needs validation from NO ONE.

I have been UPC 54 years. I know enough and have seen enough to know what I am talking about. I have pastored people that Dr. W_______ pastored that can tell you some things first hand. Just seems to me that the spirit of the whole matter is WRONG!! Here is your cool aid. Drink it up now!

[Barb]

Originally Posted by George

A man who convinced many to leave Michigan and follow him to California.

Originally Posted by PastorD

....door opens and stage left enters Barb.

Here I am...LOL!!

Listen, George, you may think you know the facts here, but trust me...you do NOT!!

Here are the facts for the record:

Following the GC of 1979, Bro. NJ Wilson was asked by the powers that be over Harvest Time to become the main HT speaker.

Though Bro. Urshan had been the speaker and yet pastored, 'they' had made the decision that the new speaker not pastor as to devote his time to the broadcast and all that it involved.

Bro. W felt it was the will of God for he and his family at the time and resigned in October of that year...we (the members of South Flint Tabernacle) were devastated.

Bro. & Sis. W stayed in St. Louis about a year when he felt the call to Sacramento.

He did NOT convince anyone to move to CA...no not one!!

Several families did, but not by his urging.

Following his resignation from SFT, I was the first to leave, opting to align with the COOLJC for almost 24 years.

For me, as well as those who moved to CA and TX, the reasons we left were personal.

Those who moved bag and baggage to CA did so because they wanted to continue to sit under his ministry.

Though I disagree with him on many issues, the WPF being one of them, if he were here now, he would STILL be my pastor.

Some people just generate that kind of respect, and for the bystander, it is hard to understand, but I hope this will set your gift of suspicion to rest.

[IAintMovin]

Originally Posted by Dan

I have been UPC 54 years. I know enough and have seen enough to know what I am talking about. I have pastored people that Dr. W_______ pastored that can tell you some things first hand. Just seems to me that the spirit of the whole matter is WRONG!! Here is your cool aid. Drink it up now!

Were you at the meeting........ I was.......and I can tell you that there may be some things wrong - (dont know of any) but the spirit was NOT one of them.......Great Spirit, Great men - God bless them all real good..........

[Dan]

Originally Posted by IAintMovin

Were you at the meeting........ I was.......and I can tell you that there may be some things wrong - (dont know of any) but the spirit was NOT one of them.......Great Spirit, Great men - God bless them all real good..........

Did not have to be at the meeting. I believe that the men that started the WPF are wrong. You will see when all the dust settles that it is not as it seems. The motive, the way they went about it all, and the dishonesty is very obvious. I could tell you some things I know first hand about some that are involved with the leadership roles of WPF (I am talking about things that have happened in the last 30 days), but I will refrain. You may have felt good there, but that does NOT mean it is right! We are obviously reliving the day of the time of the judges.....When every man did that which was right in his own eyes. It is very easy to declare you are taking the high road publicly and behind closed doors causing division. Maybe we need a good old baptism of "the decerning of spirits".

Just my thoughts.