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Old 11-22-2007, 09:39 AM
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Seems kinda strange to hear him invoke the unity clause now. How come that wasn't considered when the AS was voted in under "suspicious" circumstances and what was intended as a merger in 1945 became a "hostile takeover" by a certain group?
It's insanity, Sam. Politics makes strange bedfellows.
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:41 AM
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It's insanity, Sam.

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How do these posts grow suddenly after you quote them? Are you all posting so fast that you're not getting all your thoughts out before you hit "submit Reply?"
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Insane?
Funny to see the effects of the Bernard vs. Sabin feud ... and the Westberg vs. the PCI feud.
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:45 AM
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What's the problem? Brother Bernard and Brother Tenney should of thought about all this stuff before they sat back and let Hellivision be voted in to appease two large churches within the UPCI.
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I think there were more than two large UPC churches who wanted tv.
The whole Ohio district requested it last year.
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I think there were more than two large UPC churches who wanted tv.
The whole Ohio district requested it last year.

Oh C'mon ... Sam .... everyone knows POA is Vatican South.
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Old 11-22-2007, 09:52 AM
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Funny to see the effects of the Bernard vs. Sabin feud ... and the Westberg vs. the PCI feud.
What is interesting is that after this vote that they knew was going to deep six their Apostolic Brothers they went and voted in the Tube. My question is why the tears?

When I was asking Brothers to consider the moves they made because it would upset their Apostolic Brothers they couldn't care and felt they were going to get a little pay back for the "Affirmation Statement" being imposed.

Well, the clock has struck and now it's all water under the bridge. Everyone needs to move forward and love their Brothers and Sisters who decide to stay and those who decide to leave.

Nothing personal it's all spiritual and we need to have revival while the stock market crashes and oil spikes at 150.00 a barrel, so we can pray people through while we go into a depression.

Television commercials? Some of these churches are going to be happy if they can pay their heating oil this year.

My lands I cannot believe the UPCI voted in TV, but listen Jesus knows how to lead, so let's love our Brothers and Sisters and have somee revival.

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An Observation from an Outsider:

The UPCI has always been, is presently, and will continue to be, a fine organization. Like all human endeavors, it has had, continues to have, and will always have, its faults. From its inception in the 40's to this present day, the UPCI has stood for what it believs to be right. Its ministers have contended for the faith upon which the organization was founded. Through incredible hardships and adversity, the UPCI has weathered many storms and stands as a testament of what can be accomplished when ministers stand together in unity.

That being said... and I don't mean this in a critical way... its seems, however, the unity that is so cherished , the unity that many have labored diligently for is fleeting at best. The appearance of unity is there for all to see, but, underneath the surface, there seems to be unseen and unresolved cracks that are now coming to the surface. Again, this isn't to be critical. What was just said can be applied to every organization, religious and secular. Any time a diverse group of people are involved in an endeavor, there will be differences. There will be divisions. And, regrettably, there will be strife.

It is the duty of the minister, whether he be a local pastor, an evangelist, a district or national leader, to keep those cracks to a minimum. In fact, the duty to preserve unity is the duty of every child of God. Even we, who are not a part of the organization called the UPCI, needs to contribute what we can to the UPCI fellowship. Certainly we should do nothing to undermine the efforts of the leaders. Whu is this so? Because harm done to the UPCI, whether it comes from internal or external sources, hurts all of us. Think of it. If the UPCI were to fold, were to cease to exist, with it would go the literature... the music... the conferences.... Gone would be the support for missionaries and churches around the world. 1Cr 12:26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. If we are gleeful that the UPCI is enduring temporary hardships, if we work to undermine the efforts of those involved in preserving its unity, then that just shows just how unthankful we are for all the UPCI has contributed to the Apostolic Faith. The same can be said for the PAW or any other group. If the UPCI suffers loss, then we all suffer loss.

Now why would an "outsider" weigh in on a subject that is really none of his business? An outsiders perspective provides the opportunity to see things through new eyes. Its difficult sometimes to see the trees for the forest, when one is in the forest. Standing in the field, looking from a distance, one sees things in a different light. To be honest, I can't see what all the fuss is about. One resolution. One... and fellowship seems to be crumbling. But then again, it isn't about the resolution. Its about what the resolution stands for and what it may lead to. May lead to. I think Bro Bernard is right. We should walk in faith and not in fear. Trust the ministry to do what God leads them to do.

But fellowship isn't crumbling. Changing perhaps. Adapting. But like all the previous storms, the UPCI will ride this one out. And will be stronger because of it.

I'll leave this verse:
Jer 12:5 ¶ If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and [if] in the land of peace, [wherein] thou trustedst, [they wearied thee], then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

God's church can stand more opposition than we can imagine. From its inception at Pentecost, God's Church strived, then disappeared in virtual oblivion in the Dark Ages, and ultimately rebounded in the 20th Century stronger than ever. And, as a part of that Church, the UPCI will also rebound and triumph. If... and I say IF the UPCI can't run with the "footman" of Res. 4, how will it ever "contend with [the] horses of future persecution and hardship? The UPCI is stronger than that. We are stronger than that. The God we serve in stroinger than that!
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Oh C'mon ... Sam ....
everyone knows POA is Vatican
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Does everyone know that?
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What is interesting is that after this vote that they knew was going to deep six their Apostolic Brothers they went and voted in the Tube. My question is why the tears?

When I was asking Brothers to consider the moves they made because it would upset their Apostolic Brothers they couldn't care and felt they were going to get a little pay back for the "Affirmation Statement" being imposed.

Well, the clock has struck and now it's all water under the bridge. Everyone needs to move forward and love their Brothers and Sisters who decide to stay and those who decide to leave.

Nothing personal it's all spiritual and we need to have revival while the stock market crashes and oil spikes at 150.00 a barrel, so we can pray people through while we go into a depression.

Television commercials? Some of these churches are going to be happy if they can pay their heating oil this year.

My lands I cannot believe the UPCI voted in TV, but listen Jesus knows how to lead, so let's love our Brothers and Sisters and have somee revival.

In Jesus name

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Apocalyptic doom and gloom from a preterist??? ... WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO??

I agree that this nation will soon enter economic crisis and it will bring REVIVAL.
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