**RANDY PHILLPS** Belief Statement- Is it the same as his Fathers??? - Page 4

Thad · #31 10-20-2007, 01:14 PM

okay....... I just picked myself up off the floor from the shock that Dan has now posted a record 2 times in the Thad's Tab section!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan, expect for things to get violent with comments like your above statement.

SDG · #32 10-20-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad

okay....... I just picked myself up off the floor from the shock that Dan has now posted a record 2 times in the Thad's Tab section!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan, expect for things to get violent with comments like your above statement.

Speaking w/ Pastor Rios, from Church of Champions, .... in which he shared this w/ me ... KP would probably add that in addition to the 3 step New Birth experience ... we are saved, in his words, " by the word of our testimony".

Thad · #33 10-20-2007, 02:48 PM

Phil, are you familair with this ?

what's your take on this matter ?

#34 10-20-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad

Phil, are you familair with this ?

what's your take on this matter ?

Thad,

Unless Bro. KP is flying under radar, he is still just as strong on "the message" as he was when he made his decision in 1977. It wasn't until the early nineties that he began moving away from clear directives in terms separation. He is not a trinity sympathizer to my knowledge but he is willing to glean from the corners of any field he is allowed to enter. KP may embrace a form of the light doctrine but I don't believe he teaches salvation outside of the full message of faith, repentance, baptism by immersion in Jesus name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.

As for RP, I am sure he his a trinitarian sympathizer and intentionally left his specific baptismal formula out of his statement of beliefs. I believe he would validate any baptism as long as it was considered christian... possibly even sprinkling in the titles would be accepted as valid. This is easy to believe as I am convinced, based on comments he has made in services I attended prior to the advent of Promiseland West, that he is a teacher of salvation at repentance with subsequent acts of obedience to identify you as one who has received salvation by faith alone in Christ alone.

stmatthew · #35 10-20-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RP website

We believe that believers should be water baptized by immersion for the circumcision of our hearts. It is through baptism that we publicly identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Romans 6:3-6; Colossians 2:11-14; Acts 2:38).

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Originally Posted by KP website

We believe that believers should be water baptized by immersion in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the circumcision of our hearts. It is through baptism that we publicly identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ

The word SHOULD is really the only issue I would have here with both of them. I would have worded it as MUST. Of course the lack of Jesus name in Randy Phillips statement is not surprising, as he is a 1 stepper.

Thad · #36 10-20-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by philjones

Thad,

Unless Bro. KP is flying under radar, he is still just as strong on "the message" as he was when he made his decision in 1977. It wasn't until the early nineties that he began moving away from clear directives in terms separation. He is not a trinity sympathizer to my knowledge but he is willing to glean from the corners of any field he is allowed to enter. KP may embrace a form of the light doctrine but I don't believe he teaches salvation outside of the full message of faith, repentance, baptism by immersion in Jesus name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.

As for RP, I am sure he his a trinitarian sympathizer and intentionally left his specific baptismal formula out of his statement of beliefs. I believe he would validate any baptism as long as it was considered christian... possibly even sprinkling in the titles would be accepted as valid. This is easy to believe as I am convinced, based on comments he has made in services I attended prior to the advent of Promiseland West, that he is a teacher of salvation at repentance with subsequent acts of obedience to identify you as one who has received salvation by faith alone in Christ alone.

YI YI YI YI YI !!!!

Sherri · #37 10-20-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad

what about the use of the word "Triune" ?

Many of the old timers like Andrew Urshan used the word "Triune" or "Tri-Unity". It doesn't mean three separate and distinct beings.

Sherri · #38 10-20-2007, 04:02 PM

Sorry, I didn't know Daniel had already said that.

Thad · #39 10-20-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

Many of the old timers like Andrew Urshan used the word "Triune" or "Tri-Unity". It doesn't mean three separate and distinct beings.

ShERRI posted in Thad's TAB! OMG OMG!! SHOCKING!!!!
(something she vowed never to do BTW~!!!!!)

I don't believe AD usrhan used the term "TRiune"

Sherri · #40 10-20-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad

ShERRI posted in Thad's TAB! OMG OMG!! SHOCKING!!!!
(something she vowed never to do BTW~!!!!!)

I don't believe AD usrhan used the term "TRiune"

I don't think I ever said that!!!

Anyway, what's the diff between Triune and Triunity??? He definitely called us Triunity.