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Old 10-31-2007, 02:25 PM
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How do we know that refers to this though?
Rev 16:17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, "It is done!"
Rev 16:18 And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had never been since man was on the earth, so great was that earthquake.
Rev 16:19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found.
Rev 16:21 And great hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people; and they cursed God for the plague of the hail, because the plague was so severe.
Ezekiel is the parallel of Revelation from front to back!

Watch the parallels:

The Throne-Vision
Revelation 4
Ezekiel 1

The Book
Revelation 5
Ezekiel 2-3

The Four Plagues
Revelation 6:1-8
Ezekiel 5

The Slain Under the Altar
Revelation 6:9-11
Ezekiel 6

The Wrath of God
Revelation 6:12-17
Ezekiel 7

The Seal on the Saint's Foreheads
Revelation 7
Ezekiel 9

The Coals from the Altar
Revelation 8
Ezekiel 10

No More Delay
Revelation 10:1-7
Ezekiel 12

The Eating of the Book
Revelation 10:8-11
Ezekiel 2

The Measuring of the Temple
Revelation 11:1-2
Ezekiel 40-43

Jerusalem and Sodom
Revelation 11:8
Ezekiel 16

The Cup of Wrath
Revelation 14
Ezekiel 23

The Vine of the Land
Revelation 14:18-20
Ezekiel 15

The Great Harlot
Revelation 17-18
Ezekiel 16, 23

The Lament Over the City
Revelation 18
Ezekiel 27

The Scavengers' Feast
Revelation 19
Ezekiel 38

The First Resurrection
Revelation 20:4-6
Ezekiel 37

The Battle with Gog and Magog
Revelation 20:7-9
Ezekiel 38-39

The New Jerusalem
Revelation 21
Ezekiel 40-48

The River of Life
Revelation 22
Ezekiel 47
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Re: Could the Antichrist be the Islamic Mahdi?

Bro Hall, I'm a believer that with the rise in islam in the world,and belief that there is a future man of sin ,that islam will play a role in future events. It is possible that The man of sin is or will be islamic.It is interesting to note that the Catholic church in its catocism says that the muslims are part of the salvation plan/or have the salvation plan.With this information that you brought out,it further confirms my personal belief that The man of sin could be a muslim and the pope,as his false prophet.
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I dont know why folks have to quibble at such length over whether we should refer to him as an antichrist or the antichrist. Indeed, the man of sin is "an" antichrist, and some would debate over wheter we should refer to him as "the" antichrist. Does it really matter that much?

It is simply using a commonly accepted term to describe something/someone. Even if the Bible doesnt specifically refer to him as "the" antichrist, I dont see what the problem is if some saints refer to him as such.

For example, we commonly refer to the "rapture" even though that word isnt found in the bible. Even the greek word there, harpazo, literally means
"forcibly snatched away", "taken for oneself".

But just because the word "rapture" isnt in the bible, but do we spend a lot of time telling people not to use it? Of course not. As long as those who use it know what's being referred to, it shouldnt really matter that much.

Similarly, if prophecy watchers choose to refer to the "man of sin" as "THE antichrist" as a way of distinguishing him from the many other "antichrists" , why is that such an issue? I think we're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

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Re: Could the Antichrist be the Islamic Mahdi?

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I dont know why folks have to quibble at such length over whether we should refer to him as an antichrist or the antichrist. Indeed, the man of sin is "an" antichrist, and some would debate over wheter we should refer to him as "the" antichrist. Does it really matter that much?

It is simply using a commonly accepted term to describe something/someone. Even if the Bible doesnt specifically refer to him as "the" antichrist, I dont see what the problem is if some saints refer to him as such.

For example, we commonly refer to the "rapture" even though that word isnt found in the bible. Even the greek word there, harpazo, literally means
"forcibly snatched away", "taken for oneself".

But just because the word "rapture" isnt in the bible, but do we spend a lot of time telling people not to use it? Of course not. As long as those who use it know what's being referred to, it shouldnt really matter that much.

Similarly, if prophecy watchers choose to refer to the "man of sin" as "THE antichrist" as a way of distinguishing him from the many other "antichrists" , why is that such an issue? I think we're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

After noting Jason's response, and disagreeing with it, lol, I wish to add more to this as well.

Here is why we stress that point. The problem is when you say THE antichrist, what do you mean? John said THE antichrist in 1 John 2 and chapter 4, so there is nothing wrong with saying THE antichrist. But was John referring to a man when he said that? NO. THE antichrist was a SPIRIT that denies Jesus came in flesh. The issue of Jesus coming in flesh is so vital, and it is VERY ONENESS. John specifically dealt with the human element that is involved by saying there are MANY antichrists, with no reference to a specific one ever being human. The only specific one is a spirit. When you refer to "THE" as a man you are actually contradicting John.

The thought that THE BEAST is THE antichrist is totally wrong. And this is the what people in error think of when they hear THE antichrist - they think of THE beast. Thus the issue of the a spirit that denies Jesus came in flesh is buried and cast aside. Someone who knows John's writings correctly would think of the spirit when you said THE antichrist. So in your conversations about THE antichrist, where YOU would be thinking of a man called the beast in Revelation, the correct person would think you're talking about the spirit in 1 John 4 and wonder what on earth your ideas of a world dictator have to do with denying Jesus came in flesh.

In short, anyone who understands 1 John 4's reference would NEVER call the beast THE antichrist. The Bible did not call the beast the antichrist for good reason. John's concern about antichrist was a spirit. Never a man.

In other words, specifying there is no THE antichrist is clinging to what the scripture says about the issue. and helping people get out of the error that the beast is THE antichrist John spoke of in 1 John 4. The scripture said THE antichrist is a spirit. End of story.

It's a shame, though, that oneness people messed this up with the trinitarians, because the antichrist is a spirit that denies Jesus came in flesh, and not a world dictator. Of all people, the ONENESS people should be stressing what THE antichrist really is! But, no, we help the enemy blur the true picture and take attention away from the all-wonderful truth that Jesus came in the flesh when we say THE antichrist is a world dictator. Can we say the issue of a world dictator is more important than the issue of whether or not Jesus came in flesh? Our terms betray our choice.
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Re: Could the Antichrist be the Islamic Mahdi?

The Beast that comes onto the scene has to fool the Jewish people into thinking he is the messiah. I do not think the Jew's would EVER believe that a person of Islamic beliefs could be their messiah.
To much enmity between them for that to happen.
Of course this is just my speculation, you are all free to believe what ever you want.
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