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09-24-2007, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
Sam,
The fact is, the United Pentecostal Church NEVER took an official stand against radio. I've heard others make this argument, and it is simply not true. There were some individuals who preached against it, but we, as a movement, never felt led of the Holy Ghost to make an official stand. When it came to television, however, an overwhelming majority of men felt prompted by the Spirit to take an official stand against that particular form of media.
Thad,
Here is one UPC preacher who WILL leave if the resolution passes. I don't care if the UPC starts 10 churches in my city. If they adopt the usage of television in any form or fashion, I'm out.
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You need to study the Bible again, bro... Look at what James did when PAul and the Antioch church wanted to preach that the Gentiles did NOT have to follow the law... They agreed to disagree and stayed together... No one is forcing you to advertise on tv and it is sad when somehting that is not being preached by you as necessary for salvation is so much more important to you than something that James (Jesus' brother) preached was necessary for salvation...
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09-24-2007, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
How can it be any other way? Why be willing to lose good men over this one issue an issue that may not work out for the organization as a whole?
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Some of these same guys knew voting for an Affirmation Statement would alienate some brethren and force their hand to leave. They didn't mind doing something knowing that men would exit the organization as result. Why were thay willing to lose some good men for something that has only caused more division? In fact I believe the division we are seeing today is a result of the AS, something that has done nothing more than sow discord among us and to bring us to this point.
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09-24-2007, 05:52 AM
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Pride of the Neighborhood
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Those who are successful in advertising their churches are spending a lot of money.
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What about Pastor Posters post about $5.00 per spot? That's not a lot of money. Why do you guys never address the affordability of cable tv advertising? You always talk like folks are trying to get Super Bowl ad time! Yes advertising on the networks IS expensive, and a vast majority could not afford it. Besides not many churches would want a national ad campaign. However advertising on local cable is very reasonable. Research it on the net and you will see that this "no one can afford it but the big churches" mantra is just plain nonsensical.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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09-24-2007, 05:57 AM
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Pride of the Neighborhood
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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
Thad,
Here is one UPC preacher who WILL leave if the resolution passes. I don't care if the UPC starts 10 churches in my city. If they adopt the usage of television in any form or fashion, I'm out.
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Why Bro G? Why does the passage of this res have to push you out? I don't understand. How does the passage of this res threaten you in any way? If it passes, keep on fellowshipping those you want and shy away form those you wish to keep at a distance. How does the passage of res 4 have to change anything for you. You can keep on living like you're living, preaching like you're preaching, leading like you're leading.
BTW congrats on the AMC invitation. I may just drive up to see you next year.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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09-24-2007, 06:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
Sam,
The fact is, the United Pentecostal Church NEVER took an official stand against radio. I've heard others make this argument, and it is simply not true. There were some individuals who preached against it, but we, as a movement, never felt led of the Holy Ghost to make an official stand. When it came to television, however, an overwhelming majority of men felt prompted by the Spirit to take an official stand against that particular form of media.
Thad,
Here is one UPC preacher who WILL leave if the resolution passes. I don't care if the UPC starts 10 churches in my city. If they adopt the usage of television in any form or fashion, I'm out.
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Last year at GC we were told that the vote was CLOSE in the 50's....it wasn't an overwhelming majority.
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09-24-2007, 08:16 AM
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It's not easy being me.
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
Sam,
The fact is, the United Pentecostal Church NEVER took an official stand against radio. I've heard others make this argument, and it is simply not true. There were some individuals who preached against it, but we, as a movement, never felt led of the Holy Ghost to make an official stand. When it came to television, however, an overwhelming majority of men felt prompted by the Spirit to take an official stand against that particular form of media.
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Looks like the Spirit would've taken a stand against the Internet too..... :sshhh
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09-24-2007, 08:20 AM
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It's not easy being me.
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
I go to a small-ish church (we run like 200-250 or so on Sunday Mornings and I'm not sure on Sun/Wed night, but I'd be surprised if it were more than 150)
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It's funny depending on where people are from what they consider big and small churches.
Here, 200-250 is a great big church.
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If you sometimes get the sudden urge to run around naked, drink some Windex.
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09-24-2007, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
what is a "Brazilian one God work in South Florida"???
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We have a huge amount of Brazilians in South Florida. Most who are Trinitarian Pentecostal (Assembly of gods). We have no One God work focused towards that people and their language.
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
Why do we need a work aimed at people of a certain nationality???
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Why yes young man there is many works down here that are focused towards a certain group because of language barriers. Maybe over in Dogpatch where you live there are not such a great variety of peoples from different countries, but here in South Florida we have every kind of language and culture you can think of. You see being an evangelist you have to do what you can to reach the people, since I cannot speak Portuguese, I need to raise up Brothers who can to teach and preach to people who only understand Portuguese. Do you understand the situation now?
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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09-24-2007, 08:32 AM
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I find it absolutely amazing that any pastor would leave an organization which they have loved for many years over allowing TV advertising or a TV program!
Do you understand how rare it is to find pastors that agree with every little conviction that you may have? Yet you will chose even less fellowship?
Why are you sweating over the small stuff? Save your energy for the REAL issues over doctrine!
I know! I know! You don't want to fellowship churches that are less spiritual than yours!
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09-24-2007, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
I find it absolutely amazing that any pastor would leave an organization which they have loved for many years over allowing TV advertising or a TV program!
Do you understand how rare it is to find pastors that agree with every little conviction that you may have? Yet you will chose even less fellowship?
Why are you sweating over the small stuff? Save your energy for the REAL issues over doctrine!
I know! I know! You don't want to fellowship churches that are less spiritual than yours!
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Exactly!
I once belonged to a church who felt they were so exclusive that they were not allowed to fellowship with any outside their own church...could that be what we are seeing here..."exclusiveness"?
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