*** Newsflash: D Bernard Speaks Out on TV Debate and Upcoming GC***

HERE IS THE SLAM DUNK!!!!!!

2. Ministerial Rule. This resolution does not advocate a change of the Articles of Faith or our position on holiness. It is a proposal to change a ministerial rule adopted 30 years ago. We may disapprove of the resolution or express strong reservations about it, but we should not question the integrity, loyalty, holiness, or Apostolic identity of those who state an opinion on this ministerial rule.


He is separating holiness and rules...

BRAVO!

If we want to maintain our Apostolic identity and if we want to promote Apostolic revival based on our identity, we must have greater loyalty to our Fundamental Doctrine than to a present or proposed ministerial rule.

AWESOME!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Continued ...

5. Technological and Societal Change. What is the real issue that is driving this resolution? In my opinion, it is not a desire to compromise our identity, but it is the reality of technological development and societal change. In light of the emergence of the Internet and local cable television and the dramatically new uses of television/video technology in our society, we are being forced to do what our position paper says we should: “Christians must evaluate each new use of technology, especially media technology, in the light of biblical holiness.”

Whether we pass this resolution or not, changes will continue to occur in the way our members perceive and use media technology. We will continue to face this type of question due to the innovation, proliferation, morphing, and merger of various media technologies including television, the Internet, computers, DVDs, MP3 players, cell phones, cable, wireless networks, and YouTube. The very definition and connotation of the words television and movies are changing. Thus, regardless of what we do with this resolution, we will continue to face new situations, and we will have to give relevant guidance to the people that we lead. We are being forced to enunciate scriptural principles more clearly and rely upon them more heavily, because no rules are adequate to cover all contingencies and developments.

My concern is that if we focus our energies exclusively on debating one rule devised to deal with one issue in 1977, we might “win” that battle but be unprepared for the many issues that face us in 2007 and that will face us in 2017, should the Lord tarry. I hope we can establish a new paradigm of how to discuss issues of this nature, build consensus, and make wise decisions. I also hope we can continue to be relevant and effective in responding to technological and cultural developments.

I want to uphold our Apostolic holiness identity. In order to do so, we must go beyond rules and establish principles to guide our conduct. We must teach our people to rely upon the Word of God and the power of the Holy Spirit and to pursue holiness regardless of technological developments, societal changes, and cultural choices.

Let’s pray that God will help our fellowship to deal with these issues appropriately and make good decisions in this matter. Let’s also pray that God will help us to simultaneously maintain holiness of life, apostolic unity, and effective outreach.

FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANYBODY who does not think so has a personal agenda and not the lost at heart!
Period.

Originally Posted by aliveinhim

Of course he is. A monkey with idiot disease would understand that.

MUUUUUUUWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Three reasons:

1) Equal representation. Everybody gets a piece of the pie. If ads are put out nationally, each individual town can get their set up to be seen in their market. Many of the smaller guys that can't afford tv could compete with the bigger guys for public awareness.

2) The feeling that they don't have to compete with the local "big church" choir, big-name preachers that come through, etc...but instead, they will have quality programming, and some of our best will be there to represent all of "us" so to speak.

3) The sense that there will be more control over what goes on, and there won't be as much to worry about...it can be handled at the next GC if they see problems.

Equal representation? Competition? Control? It is this kind of thinking that makes me breath with relief that we no longer have to deal with this fear.

Why are we so scared that our neighboring church down the road might have success? Are we not all trying to grow the kingdom of God?

Local television time is not expensive! It has been proven many times here. Get a camera and some good bible studies or fireside chat type format.

You don't have to have a huge church with awesome music and great production. Thousands have been won to Christ with a simple home bible study.

If I was a home missions pastor I would be begging for the use of TV.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Strongminded

If we want to maintain our Apostolic identity and if we want to promote Apostolic revival based on our identity, we must have greater loyalty to our Fundamental Doctrine than to a present or proposed ministerial rule.

AWESOME!!!!!!

worthy of my rarely used "bumping" perogative.
SM, keep it coming.

[CC1]

BTW - To further buttress the position that old time Pentecostals had better get a new paradigm (like spiritual maturity and personal accountibility) for handling things besides outright bans there was further proof yesterday that technologies continue to merge making a TV ban meaningless.

NBC television network announced yesterday that many of their prime time television shows will be available free at their website for viewing or downloading to PDA's, computers, etc for one week after their broadcast airing.

That means any UPC person with a computer can "watch TV" just as if they had a TV with cable or satellite.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by CC1

NBC television network announced yesterday that many of their prime time television shows will be available free at their website for viewing or downloading to PDA's, computers, etc for one week after their broadcast airing.

That means any UPC person with a computer can "watch TV" just as if they had a TV with cable or satellite.

This is well over a year old. The networks have been offering streaming content for certain shows for a while now. NBC seems to be a bit late as ABC, CBS and others have had this out for well over a year now.

Also, iTunes has had the ability to download movies and select tv shows to ipods for a while also.

My new Sprint phone (muziq by LG) has live television that is incredible in the fact that previous phones have had video content available, but it was really scrambled and didn't match up the video/audio. This new phone has matches up perfectly and is as clear as if i was watching via cable or dish.

I was watching FoxNews live the other day. Also the NFL network channel. There's a lot of other channels available, for an additional fee. (Spike, ABC, Cartoon Network, ESPN, Comedy, Mtv, etc)

I'm not surprised in what DB wrote. He's smart enough to know that the UPC doesn't have much, if any, Biblical legs to stand on in regards to technology - specifically television. And he understands the hypocrisy he'd be in if he spoke against television and left the internet untouched.

As for HQ creating, editing, controlling commercials - while that will probably be the only way it will pass . . . it's going to flop.

#1. If a cookie-cut commercial by HQ is playing along-side a local church commercial --- I'm thinking most will choose the local church that features local events, ministries, etc. I, for one, wouldn't visit a church that broadcast a cookie-cut commercial. I would want to know what the church is about, what local ministries it provides, etc.

#2. Prior experience with SFC radio spots were a joke. Seriously - they were terrible. The script, the quality, it was just a terrible project.

#3. Unless the UPC comes upon a large grant given to finance this project and offer the commercials free of charge, if PPH gets their mitts on it, it will be a low-quality, yet overpriced mess that most won't be able to afford and many wouldn't want to pay for.

#4. HQ has enough control of churches . . . back to #1 - they should leave local churches to advertise local content, etc.

JMO

[StillStanding]

I predict that the resolution will be ammended as advertising only, so that it can be studied as to the effect it it will have on the organization. If the response is a positive one, then they will re-consider allowing TV programs.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

I predict that the resolution will be ammended as advertising only, so that it can be studied as to the effect it it will have on the organization. If the response is a positive one, then they will re-consider allowing TV programs.