Voted On And Passed By General Board This Morning!

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

IN this GC, the voters will be viewed as representatives of the entire fellowship. When they arrive, they will be told the results of the survey. Which ever side wins the survey, will push extremely hard with a huge guilt trip saying that you need to vote their way, as this is "the will of the fellowship".

I don't know if there would be a guilt trip seriously. Let me take two sides here.....Larry Booker and NLYP.

Larry Booker, you know, is going to go to GC with the intention of voting NO. He gets to Tampa and discovers the overwhelming majority of the UPCI is for the Res. I don't think he will have any "guilt" in still voting NO.

NLYP, you know, is going to go to GC with the intention of voting YES. He gets to Tampa and discovers the overwhelming majority of the UPCI is against the Res. I don't think he will have any "guilt" in still voting YES.

----------Let me put it like this...the majority of America is against Bush. However, if I had to choose between Bush and Gore and Bush and Kerry....I would still vote for Bush, with no guilt of what "everyone else is feeling." I think people will still vote their belief.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by AGAPE

Yep, most would be against the tv deal

I may change my mind later, but right now - I see no way in the world this will pass. You are correct.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

I don't know if there would be a guilt trip seriously. Let me take two sides here.....Larry Booker and NLYP.

Larry Booker, you know, is going to go to GC with the intention of voting NO. He gets to Tampa and discovers the overwhelming majority of the UPCI is for the Res. I don't think he will have any "guilt" in still voting NO.

NLYP, you know, is going to go to GC with the intention of voting YES. He gets to Tampa and discovers the overwhelming majority of the UPCI is against the Res. I don't think he will have any "guilt" in still voting YES.

----------Let me put it like this...the majority of America is against Bush. However, if I had to choose between Bush and Gore and Bush and Kerry....I would still vote for Bush, with no guilt of what "everyone else is feeling." I think people will still vote their belief.

There will be passionate pleas from the speakers (winners of the survey) on the floor of GC saying that to vote against the "will of the fellowship" would be a travesty, crime, sinful...... you get the picture, right?

Guilt.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

?????

Daniel, I believe the full ministerial body should be allowed to vote. This does not do that, it is just a survey. I just think if we survey them onthis issue, we should on every issue. Where was a survey when they brought in the AS?

On this, I absolutely see your point. The affirmation statement had a huge impact on the fellowship, and I can't say it was all positive either.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I may change my mind later, but right now - I see no way in the world this will pass. You are correct.

I disagree.

I think it will pass and pass handily.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

There will be passionate pleas from the speakers (winners of the survey) on the floor of GC saying that to vote against the "will of the fellowship" would be a travesty, crime, sinful...... you get the picture, right?

Guilt.

I do get the picture. However, I still think people will vote their intention.....unless there is some impacting revelation.

I mean, who could vote NO on the issue?

(BTW...I am not a minister and can not vote. But, if I could, I would be voting a strong YES.)

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I disagree.

I think it will pass and pass handily.

I surely hope so. I respect your opinion.
Tell me, why do you think it will pass, Bro?

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Like that will change anything.

What I think is unfair is the pastors of small churches that are unable to attend GC and can't vote to have a say.

Renda...shhh come here...shhhh Im gonna whisper this...shhh


(we dont want them there...they are usually the cons that cant grow a church and are aginst everything)...


shhh.......

[SDG]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

On this, I absolutely see your point. The affirmation statement had a huge impact on the fellowship, and I can't say it was all positive either.

I agree with you ... but this is a baby step in much needed reform in the area of representation.

Incremental change has always been the progression within the movement. It would be foolish to think that protocol would change simply because of the TV advertising. Yet, I see it is ... SLOWLY.

[Felicity]

There are LOTS of libs who can't grow a church either. Hello!

Growing a church isn't a lib or con issue.