Pastors move to withhold/lessen SFC offerings in protest of NAYC

[Theresa]

so, until any of these "Ministers" come on this board and post "I'm withholding SFC offering b/c of my displeasure at NAYC" .....

we are wasting our time debating what somebody might have said!!

or are these the same ministers that are doing a MASS walk out if the resolution passes??

How come some extreme group (either extreme) makes all these "threats" but none of us on this board know of even ONE minister in either group?

could it be that someone is just making up "what if's" to discredit either side?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by HangingOut

Probably on another thread, but what happened at NAYC?

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

My question is (guess I missed that thread) WHAT HAPPENED at the UPC NAYC - that y'all are all so riled up????????????/

These threads may give you some background

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...ight=Dora+NAYC


http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...ight=Bombshell

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...ight=Bombshell

[RevBuddy]

Now, now, Dan...is your tongue stuck in your cheek???

[Malvaro]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Dora the Explorer
Step dancing
Good Christian Fun
Young people committing and re-committing their lives to Christ

a) with Dora the Explorer "the TV personality" being highlighted at NAYC just months before "the TV vote"
b) with some feeling that "stepping" is not appropriate in the church and reflective of the world....
c) once again people's definition of "Good Christian Fun" could all be different....
d) We would all agree that was good....

There are just general observations....

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Now, now, Dan...is your tongue stuck in your cheek???

Permanently, Elder and friend.

Erased so as not to offend any conservative poster who may withhold vital monies to worthwhile programs within an unnamed organization.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by johnmark93

No Theresa, they won't come on here and say that because they are not willing to face the music. They will hide out at CAF and Wordshare instead. There has been much chest thumping and threats over there.

Guess which group of men is doing all of the threatening? The same ones who would sentence a person to a fiery pit for withholding their offerings (which are not required) from the local assembly over preaching they disagreed with. The level of hypocrisy is staggering.

I'm with Ferd, I think its a very small group with either extreme that is sucking up all the oxygen and making a big stink out of something most dont even give two thoughts about.

My pastor isnt even going to conference - he says he has better things to do - and no sense incurring the expense when our local church could use the funds

Muzzled.

[Malvaro]

*putting on AFF Moderating hat*

JohnMark, let's keep other forums out of this discussion.... and avoid painting such broad, generic descriptives of people who may reside in this group.... please edit your post accordingly....

please stay on-topic to the identified thread criteria....

*taking off AFF Moderating hat*

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Today I had some time to catch up with some friends of mine (licensed ministers) and am more than a little disappointed with what I've heard. I've asked more than one about it and they've all confirmed the same.

I'm sickened by this. Completely disgusted.

Apparently, in a manner of protesting the sinful '07 NAYC, several Pastors are either withholding or significantly lessening the amount of their SFC offerings this year.

If you're a Pastor who is thinking about doing this, would you mind explaining what in the world you feel this will accomplish? Please, by all means, state why you think you should punish the ministries and people that are supported by SFC simply because of your childish tantrum over what happened at NAYC this year. Help me understand why you feel Tupelo, Lighthouse Ranch, Home and Foreign Missionaries, Bible Quizzing and other District events should pay for what happened at NAYC.

This is as stupid as Democratic Senators/Representatives blocking or withholding funds from the troops because they don't support the war.

Doing this does nothing but hurt and possibly permanently injure the ministries or other people that SFC supports. You sure you want to be a part of that? You sure God would honor your tantrum and attitude of "well, I'll make them pay for what happened . . . "

How dare these men. If they follow through with their threats, they'll have to answer to God for their ridiculous selfishness and arrogance. I cannot imagine God approving of this kind of attitude and action.

Any Pastor here on AFF thinking about making this kind of a childish statement?

JMO Sick . . . just sick.

This is really sad.

There are PROPER ways to address disagreements but withholding money that has ALREADY BEEN PLEDGED is NOT a proper way to handle this.

Typically, money is pledged at the SFC kickoff - this is long before NAYC takes place.

A pledge is the same as a vow - according to scripture, its supposed to be paid. There isn't any provision for "withholding" a vow for any reason.

Also, money that has already been raised or given and designated specifically for SFC isn't supposed to go for anything else unless the giver agrees to such a change. A pastor does NOT have the right to make this change without the approval of the givers and/or those that worked to raise the funds.