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07-18-2007, 07:46 PM
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How come in Noah's day when the rain fell those who weren't in the Ark were destroyed ,doesn't that seem a bit cruel of God ?
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07-18-2007, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
How come in Noah's day when the rain fell those who weren't in the Ark were destroyed ,doesn't that seem a bit cruel of God ?
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Atheists, agnostics and pagans use that same argument.
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07-18-2007, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Not difficult at all since He used the analogy of Stars and People in speaking to Abraham. You and I both see what we want to see: I see God as actually doing what He said Jesus came to do. "I come not to condemn the world...but to save that which is lost." Traditional religion says He came to show the world how sinful they are, so that He can send most of them to endless torment.
"JESUS CHRIST THE SAVIOR OF ALL MEN, ESPECIALLY THEM THAT BELIEVE..."
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He used an analogy to show how numerous Abraham's seed would be. He did not use an analogy to show all humans, whether decedents of Abraham or not, would be saved
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07-18-2007, 07:56 PM
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Atheists, agnostics and pagans use that same argument.
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The Bible does teach a punishment of the wicked.
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07-18-2007, 07:59 PM
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Actually I threw that post out for the universalist here.What about Sodom and Gomerha? What about the terrible things that happened in the seige of Jerusalem by Titus ? Yet God who is merciful does punish the wicked.
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07-18-2007, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
What, for crying out loud, is more humanistic than a god that is all powerful, all knowing and all loving and all merciful, that creates billions of humans that are brain damaged by sin, then because they don't find the "narrow" way that is obscured by dis-unified believers and corrupt, sinful leaders, he then throws them in a fiery pit either to annihilate or to torture them for billions of years??
Which is the God of the image of sinful man, my view or religion's? I find the true God of mercy, the holds man accountable, yet provides an escape from this fallen world, destroys evil, sin, death and all that opposes His ultimate purpose.
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Nothing is more humanistic than making a god in your own image or after your own design than to accept the truth of what the word says.
This is the same sort of reasoning that questions God for destroying man off the earth during the flood. You either accept the word and realize that God is not only a God of mercy but of justice or you design a God in your own mind and try to explain away the word of God.
Don't you believe that man suffers in hell for a period of time and then is redeemed? You think that's Merciful? It's still torture what you believe. Is God ONLY a God of mercy and not also justice and truth?
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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07-18-2007, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
Actually I threw that post out for the universalist here.What about Sodom and Gomerha? What about the terrible things that happened in the seige of Jerusalem by Titus ? Yet God who is merciful does punish the wicked.
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Same sort of argument. The Atheists, agnostics and pagans all use the same argument Crakjack does.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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07-18-2007, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
The Bible does teach a punishment of the wicked.
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Scott did you get my point? This is the emotional argument of CrakJ that Atheists, Agnostics and Pagans have all used by pointing at Sodom, the flood and hell. Even CJ here believes in a hell where they are punished for a while.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-18-2007, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Scott did you get my point? This is the emotional argument of CrakJ that Atheists, Agnostics and Pagans have all used by pointing at Sodom, the flood and hell. Even CJ here believes in a hell where they are punished for a while.
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Yes but where in the bible are the wicked punished ,and then are joined to the redeemed ?
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07-18-2007, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
Yes but where in the bible are the wicked punished ,and then are joined to the redeemed ?
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Scott I don't believe they are redeemed CJ does
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- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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