the King James Version

Originally Posted by mfblume

It was disposed of primarily because neither Jesus nor the apostles ever quoted from it. It contains nonsense such as driving demons away with the smell of rotting fish, or salt. And how dove's dung healed a man of blindness as the dung fell from the sky onto his eyes. It has books that deal with paying money to get souls out of purgatory.

What of the books that remain in the bible that speak of proper "etiquette" for treating female prisoners, including the proper way to discard them if you don't like them? I consider that nonsense too (And I could have been a LOT more blunt there).

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Read it and find out! As I said, there's absolute nonsense in it.

Is the shield of Solomon mentioned?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Is the shield of Solomon mentioned?

There are dogmatic statements made in the apocrypha that contradict and conflict with those of the New Testament. Like I said... paying for souls to be released from purgatory.

Why ask about shield of Solomon?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

What of the books that remain in the bible that speak of proper "etiquette" for treating female prisoners, including the proper way to discard them if you don't like them? I consider that nonsense too (And I could have been a LOT more blunt there).

Please clarify this for us. Are you saying that within the 66 books of the bible we have of Old and New Testaments, you believe there is nonsense in them?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It was disposed of primarily because neither Jesus nor the apostles ever quoted from it. It contains nonsense such as driving demons away with the smell of rotting fish, or salt. And how dove's dung healed a man of blindness as the dung fell from the sky onto his eyes. It has books that deal with paying money to get souls out of purgatory.

http://scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html

(I do not agree nor disagree with the linked document. Just posting FYI.)

Originally Posted by mfblume

Please clarify this for us. Are you saying that within the 66 books of the bible we have of Old and New Testaments, you believe there is nonsense in them?

Yes I do... instructions in the Old Testament for raping female prisoners of war and taking them as slaves... that's nonsense to me.

And if the Acrophya was accepted as part of the Bible before the New Testament at one point and now it is not, doesn't that still mean that something changed in the Bible?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Timmy

http://scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html

(I do not agree nor disagree with the linked document. Just posting FYI.)

How can you not agree or disagree??

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Yes I do... instructions in the Old Testament for raping female prisoners of war and taking them as slaves... that's nonsense to me.

And if the Acrophya was accepted as part of the Bible before the New Testament at one point and now it is not, doesn't that still mean that something changed in the Bible?

The Jews rejected the Septuagint.

[Brett Prince]

Bro. Blume,

The Textus Receptus? Is it perfect? No interpolations? No guesses? No discrepancies?

[mfblume]

Not one of the writers of the apocrypha lays any claim to inspiration.

They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves; as when, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in as many different places.

The Apocrypha inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection.

And the day following Judas came with his company, to take away the bodies of them that were slain, and to bury them with their kinsmen, in the sepulchers of their fathers. And they found under the coats of the slain some of the donaries of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbiddeth to the Jews: so that all plainly saw, that for this cause they were slain. Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden. And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten. But the most valiant Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves from sin, forasmuch as they saw before their eyes what had happened, because of the sins of those that were slain. And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachmas of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection, (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. (2 Maccabees 12:39-46)

The apocrypha contains offensive materials unbecoming of God’s authorship.

Ecclesiasticus 25:19 Any iniquity is insignificant compared to a wife's iniquity.

Ecclesiasticus 25:24 From a woman sin had its beginning. Because of her we all die.

Ecclesiasticus 22:3 It is a disgrace to be the father of an undisciplined, and the birth of a daughter is a loss.

It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation.


The apocryphal books themselves make reference to what we call the Silent 400 years, where there was no prophets of God to write inspired materials.

And they laid up the stones in the mountain of the temple in a convenient place, till there should come a prophet, and give answer concerning them. (1 Maccabees 4:46)

And there was a great tribulation in Israel, such as was not since the day, that there was no prophet seen in Israel. (1 Maccabees 9:27)

And that the Jews, and their priests, had consented that he should be their prince, and high priest for ever, till there should arise a faithful prophet. (1 Maccabees 14:41)