Gino Jennings On Soul Sleep - Page 4

Michael The Disciple · #31 12-02-2018, 07:08 AM

Immortal soul doctrine denies the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Paul said:

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1 Cor. 15:1-4

1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Immortal soul teaches that CHRIST......DID NOT DIE! They say ONLY HIS BODY DIED.

Immortal soul teaches THIS gospel:

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ's body died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that IT was buried, and that IT rose again the third day according to the scriptures: [/QUOTE]

This doctrine changes HE to IT.

So Isaiah prophesied that the lamb of God would give his SOUL an offering for sin and that he poured out his soul unto death, immortal soul heresy teaches his soul NEVER EXPERIENCED DEATH!

So there is the perversion. Paul taught CHRIST DIED for our sins. Immortal soul teaches CHRIST NEVER DIED, only his body.

mfblume · #32 12-02-2018, 08:18 AM

There is no soul sleep. Paul says absence from body makes one present with the Lord, and there's no word hidden there that say it SEEMS like one passed from from life to heaven because the soul slept and time seemed to pass like lightning.

Carl · #33 12-02-2018, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

There is no soul sleep. Paul says absence from body makes one present with the Lord, and there's no word hidden there that say it SEEMS like one passed from from life to heaven because the soul slept and time seemed to pass like lightning.

Well that clears that up.

Michael The Disciple · #34 12-02-2018, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

There is no soul sleep. Paul says absence from body makes one present with the Lord, and there's no word hidden there that say it SEEMS like one passed from from life to heaven because the soul slept and time seemed to pass like lightning.

Lets demonstrate how this works.

Paul teaches the saints that died are asleep. Lets watch how his doctrine must be changed from the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.....to the resurrection of THE BODY. Switch the subject from PEOPLE that are asleep which Paul is teaching to merely BODIES which he is not teaching.

1 Thessalonaians 4:13-18

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

This is what Paul taught. Lets see now what men do to his words.

Esaias · #35 12-02-2018, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl

Well that clears that up.

lol

Esaias · #36 12-02-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

There is no soul sleep. Paul says absence from body makes one present with the Lord, and there's no word hidden there that say it SEEMS like one passed from from life to heaven because the soul slept and time seemed to pass like lightning.

Did Paul say that before AD70?

mfblume · #37 12-02-2018, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Did Paul say that before AD70?

You betcha.

mfblume · #38 12-02-2018, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Lets demonstrate how this works.

Paul teaches the saints that died are asleep. Lets watch how his doctrine must be changed from the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.....to the resurrection of THE BODY. Switch the subject from PEOPLE that are asleep which Paul is teaching to merely BODIES which he is not teaching.

1 Thessalonaians 4:13-18

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

This is what Paul taught. Lets see now what men do to his words.

Simple. The dead refers to the body.. Which is why we read absence from the body is presence with the Lord.

James 2:..26....For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

But you can keep adding words that are not there to 2 cor 5.

1ofthechosen · #39 12-02-2018, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Immortal soul doctrine denies the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Paul said:

Immortal soul teaches that CHRIST......DID NOT DIE! They say ONLY HIS BODY DIED.

Immortal soul teaches THIS gospel:

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ's body died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that IT was buried, and that IT rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

This doctrine changes HE to IT.

So Isaiah prophesied that the lamb of God would give his SOUL an offering for sin and that he poured out his soul unto death, immortal soul heresy teaches his soul NEVER EXPERIENCED DEATH!

So there is the perversion. Paul taught CHRIST DIED for our sins. Immortal soul teaches CHRIST NEVER DIED, only his body.[/QUOTE]

Mention one verse where the Bible says a soul dies. And if you decide to use Ezekial 18:20 please explain in the context of this scripture how the use of the word "nephesh" here wouldn't just be translated person. Please and thank you.

1ofthechosen · #40 12-02-2018, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Lets demonstrate how this works.

Paul teaches the saints that died are asleep. Lets watch how his doctrine must be changed from the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.....to the resurrection of THE BODY. Switch the subject from PEOPLE that are asleep which Paul is teaching to merely BODIES which he is not teaching.

1 Thessalonaians 4:13-18

13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

This is what Paul taught. Lets see now what men do to his words.

So you think this proves a soul dies? Even if the soul was asleep it's not dead. Or do you die every night and then ressurect in the morning? If so you experience the rapture everyday of your life. What you are saying and explaining here I don't agree at all. But it maybe the way your explaining it.