Are Trinitarians Saved? - Page 4

consapente89 · #31 03-22-2018, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

True. But there is indeed room for debate as to what constitutes being baptized in the name of Jesus.

No there isn't.

Originalist · #32 03-22-2018, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

I appreciate your statement, except that Irenæus and Tertullian believed in the Trinity, for whatever wrong or right they were, long before 325, 451, etcetera, including we Waldenses who ever were independent of Rome and barbarically persecuted by the little horn. I could point out the Hebrews did believe in two Creators (bara in Job 35.10 and The Preacher 12.1 is plural, and there is the Elohim problem) or Jehovahs, or Isaiah 48, but since this is not a debate, I rather to see what you neo-Sabellians believe. Is stating the Father, Son and Spirit are the manifestations of Christ correct, or that this is the Father in Oneness doctrine?

Try cutting out calling us neo-Sabellians for starters. He believed in successive manifestations, or so his enemies said. We believe in simultaneous manifestations.

BuckeyeBukaroo · #33 03-22-2018, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by consapente89

Yes, some trinitarians will be saved. Thank God.

How? By obeying the Gospel and repenting of their sins, their false trinitarian doctrine, being Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and receiving the Holy Ghost. Trinitarians will be saved just the same way as every other NT Christian.

I was once a trinitarian, but now I'm saved!

WE are saved, as in SAFE, as long as we continue. I doubt the salvation of Trinitarians but I don't doubt the Grace and Mercy of God. If there is any way where Trinitarians can be saved, I believe God will act in His Sovereignty and do as He Wills. I just wouldn't want to be a Trinitarian.

BuckeyeBukaroo · #34 03-22-2018, 03:44 PM

Our salvation is not based on or connected to our 100% assurance that Trinitarians are going to bust hell wide open.

Strict Baptist · #35 03-22-2018, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

Try cutting out calling us neo-Sabellians for starters. He believed in successive manifestations, or so his enemies said. We believe in simultaneous manifestations.

Again, the term is accurate since though you still maintain Sabellius' partialism, you do not concur with each point of his doctrine, neither I imagine would he have concurred entirely with your camp's modifications of what he believed, much less Nœtus, Theodoret or Praxeus, you still deny hypostasis. I have met Oneness proponents who argued for successive manifestations and not simultaneous ones, which term would fit the term. Either way, it is all partialism no matter what term you employ, friend.

Also, so that I don't misrepresent your camp, do answer my query.

Originalist · #36 03-22-2018, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

Again, the term is accurate since though you still maintain Sabellius' partialism, you do not concur with each point of his doctrine, neither I imagine would he have concurred entirely with your camp's modifications of what he believed, much less Nœtus, Theodoret or Praxeus, you still deny hypostasis. I have met Oneness proponents who argued for successive manifestations and not simultaneous ones, which term would fit the term. Either way, it is all partialism no matter what term you employ, friend.

Trinitarianism is really a strange combination of partialism and modalism.

Strict Baptist · #37 03-22-2018, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

Jesus is the name of the Father

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Jesus is the name of the Son

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jesus is the name of the Spirit

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus is the name given for salvation

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

If I send a man to pay for your hotel room in my name, does that person transitively take on my name? Does that hotel room become mine or yours if registered for you? Again, my point is not to contend here, but to analyze. It seems Oneness proponents have varying thoughts on the topic just as much as those I encountered in the past.