Billy Graham

[LongBeachCA]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

His NAME is Jesus!



Which begs the question:
Is a woman saved, who willfully aborts her child; and who then teaches
other women that abortion is not a sin...is she saved?

" Being born again (conceived/begotten of God), not of corruptible seed,
but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides for ever."
So we have been conceived by the Word of God (through preaching) and
have been birthed into the Church, and are expected to bear fruit.

Is God's redemptive work solely by repenting: is that where "...remission
of sin..." takes place? Is there a real difference between forgiveness and
remission? Is there a difference between mercy and grace...between the
Old Testament and the New Testament...between the light from the moon
and that of the sun?

Am I missing something?

Brother Villa

ANY Human Being that would ABORT a CHILD regardless of how she got to that point is a MURDERER. I don't care if she is RAPED TORTURED OR JUST FLAT OUT MAKES A MISTAKE MURDER IS MURDER. ABORTION is MURDER. The way the murder the baby is enough to make me cringe. I find it sad that murder is allowed to take place regardless of FAITH IN A GOD or your BELIEF SYSTEM regardless if you are even an atheist killing an unborn child is murder because that little baby though unborn is ALIVE and KICKING and BREATHING inside the womb. IT's not a woman's RIGHT to choose MURDER by ABORTION. If I was raped no matter how bad, and there was a baby growing inside my body I would have that baby, and love that baby, some may wish to give it up for adoption and not keep it which is understandable some mothers don't even TOUCH IT or HOLD THE BABY they just tell the DR to take it away I can understand that to. Though I would not chose to do that to my BABY because who ever created the HUMAN RACE or this UNIVERSE put in it's design of the Human Species a Mother 2 baby nurture bond where when the baby comes out it knows it's mother, it knows her voice and it feels everything you do by Energy that you produce in it's life inside of your belly. It can feel the sounds by vibrations and it can sense when you are in danger or when you are sick or when you are hungry that baby feels everything you feel.

It says in the Bible that NO MURDERS will enter The gates of HEAVEN. but I believe that the Bible is also very clear on Forgiveness. So I would think by what I Read in the Bible that he can forgive a mother who commits a murder by aborting her baby.

I have never understood abortion there are so many women and couples who cannot have children and so many foster kids that need good homes but even in the church I know of a wonderful couple who could not have kids, and they ADOPTED 5 RUSSIAN Babies. It was a wonderful family. GOD REALLY Blessed them he is now a MILLIONAIRE who builds Million $$$ homes and they live in one while they are building the NEXT as they have it up for sell and then they move in the new one once it's ready>. But God Blessed that man for adoption those 5 kids. I believe anyways. He was only working a small JOB before he adopted those 5 Russian Babies. So many want to ADOPT good people and there are families that ADOPT even when they have too many kids already just to save a CHILD. I just cannot see abortion being LEGAL in any part of this world. ITs' MURDER. and you will have to give an account for that MURDER. I could not ABORT a BABY if I was having 10 TWINS even if I was raped by for example CHARLES MANSON or JEFFERY DOHMMER. I just would not abort or murder a child for any reason. That life that grows inside you has nothing to do with how you got to the place of being with child so that child should not suffer for it.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by LongBeachCA

I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD GIVE THIS MOVIE A CHANCE ............It's called THE SHACK and it is a wonderful movie. I have been in this apostolic way since age 14 but when I seen this movie it opened up my EYE'S to something I had never thought of before.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2872518/

There is the imdb site and this movie was a big hit. It is worth the watch.

Apostolics don't watch movies.




Wait....your theology changed because of a movie?????

[LongBeachCA]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I always liked Billy Graham. Early on in my walk I mentioned to a Charismatic minister I thought Billy was a Prophet. In return he said to me. He's not even fully saved. He explained by saying At Pentecost Peter said we must repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

After that I began to see it in a different light. I know this. If Billy was a faithful minister of the gospel I am a heretic.

I always liked Billy as well. I can not judge and say anything about no one but myself. But once upon a time, the UPC churches preached the TV would send us to hell. And going to the MOVIES would to. And ROCK MUSIC would to. BOWLING ALLEYS SKATING RINKS I have heard it all in my childhood. And look at how things have changed, NOW you can wear RINGS have TV"S and BEARDS now. THE UPCI keeps changing with time. I believe one day, they are going to look like everyone else in the TRINITY WORLD and it won't be long. I see where women in high positions are wearing skirts above the KNEES even ministers wives. I was looking at a video and pics of a FAMOUS MINSTER who pastors a church and he is a MAJOR SINGER and has a big church and his 1st LADY was putting pics on the internet of her in a 2 PIECE BATHING suit with the TOP off. I could not believe what I was seeing. And this minister and singer is famous in the circles of pentecost , he was at the MS CAMP MEETING in the MOVIE "BORAT". I am not even going to put his initials on here.

But he thought that he was going to SUE BOART MOVIE MAKER SASCHA BARON COHEN for making that movie at the MS CAMP MEETING and so did my mom's pastor who was the PRESB of MS district at the time, they all thought they were going to SUE MR CHOEN for TRICKING them. And no one not one pastor had any DISCERNMENT about the actions of this man, Any idiot can see he was FAKING and if you listen to the words he was saying you can easily put 2 & 2 together to figure out this guy is making a FOOL and Mockery out of these PEOPLE. But the church failed and could not SUE because SASHA BARON COHEN had them sign a document that kept them from taking any legal action. But the thing that gets me NOT ONE MINISTER THERE not even my MOM"S. PASTOR who claims to have discernment could pick up on what this guy was doing. It is a funny movie to watch.

So with TIME I believe that the church UPCI standards have changed to the point where BIG NAME women are painting their faces for CD'S and VIDEOS that are going out into the world and they are going on TBN and having MAKEUP for TV used. YET they preach against using makeup. They are wearing FRENCH MANICURES which I don't see anything wrong with that one. But LIPSTICK RUGE EYELINER BROW LINER BASE EYE PAINT. Either you are or you ain't HOLINESS there is no in-between. But don't preach to people and then go get on TBN or shoot a MAJOR PROFESSIONAL VIDEO and PAINT yourself up. That is just wrong. SLITS in the back and front of their SKIRTS 1/2 way up from the kNEE , People are watching APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTALS very CLOSELY. NOW that the MANGUNS have went on TV they are going to know more about the UPCI than ever before. TBN is a HUGE OUTLET it's one of the LARGEST if not the LARGEST Broadcast in the world. Little by little they keep changing letting more and more things creep in. You cannot CHANGE and expect the world to respect you. THEY WON"T respect you.

[Michael The Disciple]

QUOTE by Long Beach

I always liked Billy as well. I can not judge and say anything about no one but myself.

Well GENERALLY SPEAKING I am compelled to judge by the words of Jesus and the Apostles. EXPRESSLY SPEAKING I am compelled to believe in the "light" doctrine.

Romans 2:14

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another 16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Do you acknowledge the good things God does by the Jehovah Witnesses? The Mormons? The Catholics? If not why?

Because cults.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LongBeachCA

I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD GIVE THIS MOVIE A CHANCE ............It's called THE SHACK and it is a wonderful movie. I have been in this apostolic way since age 14 but when I seen this movie it opened up my EYE'S to something I had never thought of before.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2872518/

There is the imdb site and this movie was a big hit. It is worth the watch.

I really don't watch many movies. But I'll try to remember to check it out if I get the chance.

[Aquila]

I believe that God is sovereign.

Romans 9:15-16 King James Version (KJV)
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

I mentioned that I pray that God has "mercy" on Billy Graham because without a sovereign act of God's mercy, I don't believe he will go to Heaven.

When it comes to eternity, I believe that we need to leave the final decision of a man's eternal state to God and God alone.

But... when I comes to teaching doctrine... that's another matter. Because of doctrinal differences, I cannot say with any assurance that Graham is in Heaven. However, I know men of God who obeyed and taught Acts 2:38 who I am 99% sure made it to Heaven.

I'll tell people that if they want to be certain that they are saved, they need to do what the Apostles taught which is to repent, be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of their sins, and be filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38). But... if they want to take their chances with traditional main stream Christian religion... no one is stopping them. I warn them that without having a real Acts 2:38 experience with God, they can never have any assurance of their salvation and that they are gambling with their eternity. If you want blessed assurance, get saved just like the Bible says.

I got the Holy Ghost…down in my soul…just like the Bible says…
I got the Holy Ghost…down in my soul…just like the Bible says
I got the Holy Ghost… down in my soul…just like the Bible says…

I’ve been to the river and I’ve been baptized…
My soul got happy, and I’m satisfied…
I’ve got my hand on the gospel plow…
And I wouldn’t take nothing for my journey now
Just like the Bible…Just like the Bible…Just Like the Bible says

I got the Holy Ghost…down in my soul…just like the Bible says…
I got the Holy Ghost…down in my soul…just like the Bible says
I got the Holy Ghost… down in my soul…just like the Bible says…

I’ve been to the river and I’ve been baptized…
My soul got happy, and I’m satisfied…
I’ve got my hand on the gospel plow…
And I wouldn’t take nothing for my journey now
Just like the Bible…Just like the Bible…Just Like the Bible says

I got the Holy Ghost…down in my soul…just like the Bible says…
I got the Holy Ghost…down in my soul…just like the Bible says
I got the Holy Ghost… down in my soul…just like the Bible says…

I’ve been to the river and I’ve been baptized…
My soul got happy, and I’m satisfied…
I’ve got my hand on the gospel plow…
And I wouldn’t take nothing for my journey now
Just like the Bible…Just like the Bible…Just Like the Bible says

Just like the Bible…Just like the Bible…Just Like the Bible says

[LongBeachCA]

Originally Posted by aquila

i believe it is one thing to say that someone didn't believe in, know, or understand the fullness of what we believed to be biblical truth. It is entirely another to assume or desire their damnation. We do well to give the eternal judgment of a soul to god and to god alone.

Some might say, "what about the bible? The bible says...."

ever notice that no one ever says, "look, my interpretation of the bible is wrong. I suggest you look into..." everyone believes that their understanding of the bible is absolutely true.

There are over 41,000 different denominations of christianity in the united states alone. Each has a different "interpretation" of the bible. Each one believes that their "interpretation" of the bible is absolutely correct and that all others are wrong. Of course, we apostolics are among them. We whole heartedly believe that our interpretation of the bible is absolutely correct. But even among us there isn't absolute unity on what the bible means on every given point. Therefore, to base one's entire faith upon a single interpretation of scripture, and use that interpretation as a lense through which to measure others and their salvation, is to have one's faith adrift on the sea of subjective human interpretation.

While the bible is absolutely infallible. Our understanding of it is not. Therefore, i choose to embrace the only objective reality of scripture... There is indeed a god. And while i believe that my understanding of the bible is more correct than many others, i am aware that my understanding of scripture isn't perfect. But god is perfect. God is merciful. God is loving. God is just. God is also sovereign. And god alone is every man's judge. I do not wish that anyone go to hell. And so, regarding those who pass on who do not know the scripture as i do, i pray that god have mercy. For that is all i can do. In fact, with regards to all men, even those we might consider the most "doctrinally pure", there is no hope of salvation without god's mercy. One can dot every i and cross every t as it relates to "doctrine"... And that doesn't guarantee a thing.

The saints who make it to heaven will only make it on account of god's mercy. And his mercy is only acquired through knowing him. Even those who obeys acts 2:38 in the manner that we believe it is to be obeyed must know god personally.

I knew an old saint of god who used to pray and read his bible every day. His wife had passed on, and i think even his kids had passed on. He'd sit in his rocking chair, rocking back and forth on the front porch, praying on most afternoons. We visited him because his health was beginning to fail and he wasn't able to attend church all the time. As i talked to him, i realized that some of his "theology" wasn't very refined. While talking to this older man, i tried to talk doctrine with him, and he'd look at me kind of strange. At one point, he said, "i don't know as much about the bible as some men do. But, i know jesus. He's my everything. And that's enough for me." when he said that, the holy ghost moved on me so strong. I realized that he truly knew god.

That experience taught me something. To know god is far different from knowing everything about him. In fact, it is possible to know almost everything about god and not know him personally. And, it is also possible to know god personally without knowing everything about him.

this was well written.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by LongBeachCA

I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD GIVE THIS MOVIE A CHANCE ............It's called THE SHACK and it is a wonderful movie. I have been in this apostolic way since age 14 but when I seen this movie it opened up my EYE'S to something I had never thought of before.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2872518/

There is the imdb site and this movie was a big hit. It is worth the watch.

Sean?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Without wavering in my absolute conviction that Acts 2:38 is the new birth and absolutely necessary to see the Kingdom of God, I think that there are times when it is just best to be silent about someone's eternity.

God bless you Elder B. I know you took up for me recently so i'm not trying to .

I’m not silent about anyone’s eternity. Look, you are either teaching truth about salvation or you are not. Jesus said anyone getting in any other way is a thief and a liar. All liars will have their own section in a lake of fire. This isn’t rocket science. This is Bible. No water baptism in Jesus name and no speaking in tongues you are lost. Period. Billy Graham sadly didn’t make it.