YÁohu ulhÍm

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

you know you mentioned the 12 tribes...I once went with a friend and spent a few days with them here in Brazil...very nice people...but a very false doctrine...so sad...They were so sweet and gave me one of their few beds...I had the impression they lived very poor. Sad that people with such false doctrines sacrifice so much in vain....

Was that the Mate' farm in Quatro Barras? they have a community in Itapecerica da Serra, and a few others. They are sweet people and in order to join one must give up all their worldly possession. Bank accounts, houses, and businesses. All are to be either sold or given over to the community. Their favorite candy stick verses are Acts 4:32, and Acts 2:44. Everything revolves around that they are the restoration of truth. Living communal is salvational, because the only way to live for God is to be in a communal situation. The 12 tribes has businesses in all their communities. In Spain the community makes olive oil. In Argentina the community makes Mate'. In Fort Myers Florida they were making soaps and shampoos. All their communities in the United States are IRC 501(d) which provide exemption for a religious or apostolic association or corporation which have a community purse.

As far as the name of Yahshua, and Yahweh they claim that those are the original names. I was talking with them in their community in Fort Meyers with their leader Eugene Spriggs (Yoneq) and asked them if they spoke Hebrew. They all answered in chorus with a resounding NO! I laughed. But again they are sincere, they are sweet, and they are giving people. But I can find the same thing at a Jewish Kibbutzim, or Hindu Ashram. The Bible isn't their basis for their teachings. Their group meetings are comprised of everyone taking a turn to talk and testify about their teachings. They also do Eastern European Chabad style dancing, blended with 1960s Height Ashbury Woodstockian Greatful Deadish spirit. The men in their meetings all wear headbands because in their "church services" called menhas the headband is their diadems. Which they will one day throw at Yeshua's feet. I had something more grandiose in mind when I read that scripture. But the hippy stuff is big for them. All the men have cut hair but have a ponytail in the back. All members must change their birth names to Hebrew names on conversion through baptism in Yahshua's name. No one is required to stay and if you no longer feel the need to be a part of the community you may leave. Just a little lighter of your possessions. So, they are Sacred Name, Hebrew Roots. Everything rotates around their eschatology and what part they play as restored truth in the end times.

[Sister Alvear]

The group I visited at that time was located in Curitiba, Paraná, ..they may be in another location now...

[Evang.Benincasa]

On the Yahweh website supplied in Sister Alevear's first post, there is The Importance of Names.

The writer gives the example if someone intending to go to Recife, the capital
of Pernambucotake but you ask the driver instead to take you to Porto Alegre. You would be taken to a different location. Or if you asked for water but used the word "salt" you wouldn't quench your thirst. Yet that isn't what is happening in the Greek Bible. Water and salt have nothing to do with each other. As well as the cities of Recife and Porto Alegre. that is comparing Cajá and Acai totally two different things. In the Bible the word for agua in the Greek is νερό. It is the same thing, names can be different but have the same meaning. That is what all Bible translation is about. Yet, during the time of Jesus the language wasn't Hebrew in the street, Hebrew was a liturgical language used in the temple. Jesus reads from an Isaiah scroll in His hometown which verse is found in the Greek LXX. The Bible in Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Greek, English or Japanese aren't using incorrect words. The names found in our New Testament are the names of the people during that time. The Apostle Phillip has NO Hebrew, or Aramaic original. His name is totally of Macedonian origin. Nicodemus, has no Hebrew or Aramaic equivalent, it is of Greek only origin.


The website goes on to speak about the first human name, Adam (Adam) and his wife. Which Adam called "Ishah" (Woman). Her name is Ḥava or Chava, but the name found in our Bibles 'Εὕαν" Eve is from the Greek. Does it mean something totally different? No, is it like calling water 'salt?" ridiculous. Still God didn't speak to Adam, and Eve in Hebrew, because anyone who studies any language will tell you as time marches forward language changes. But, let's look at the Bible and see what language God spoke to Adam and Eve. Genesis 11:7 has God making the degree to go down and confuse the LANGUAGE of the people. Notice it doesn't say confuse the language of only those who worked on the tower, or everyone except a remnant will have the original language. This isn't a guessing game, the Lord tells us that He confused all the people of their original LANGUAGE. So they wouldn't understand each other. We can't teach anything other than whatever the original language sounded like or was spelled, we have no clue. Adam didn't keep notes. What about the meaning of their names? Well, that's simple, just like water is English, and νερό is Greek, then the original names for Adam and Eve "spoken" by God had the same meanings. In
Exodus 33:23 God tells Moses that He will show Moses His history but not His future. Meaning Moses was given opportunity to understand the Genesis in the language Moses was speaking at the time. Another thing about Hebrew being some special language. Moses is an Egyptian name, we don't know if he even had a Hebrew name. the only ones who argue for a Hebrew name for Moses are Rabbis who like their Sacred Name cousins hate anything non Hebrew. In Egyptian, the name Moses linked to the Egyptian verb ms/msi (“to give birth”) or the related noun ms (“child,” “son”),various forms of which occur in Egyptian royal and non-royal names. The verb ms is incorporated into the royal birth names of New Kingdom pharaohs Ahmose (“the moon god is born”) and Thutmose (“Thoth is born”) as the suffix -mose. In the Greek forms of the names, the verb ms becomes -mosis: Amosis and Thutmosis. The name Ramesses follows a similar pattern: Re-mes-su (“Re is the one who bore him”). The verb is also found in non-royal personal names such as Ptahmose (“Ptah is born”) and Ramose (“Re is born”). Which name Moses indicates born out of water.

If someone refuses to believe that any Judean or Israeli would fight to not have their name a non Hebrew name, then Mordecai, Esther are names of pagan gods. If they go further to say that these two had no choice because they were under occupation. We have Aquila (Roman Eagle of Zeus) and Apollos (Sun god). Aquila is a Roman Judean freedman, and Apollos an Alexandrian Judian. Prisca which means first, has only a Latin origin.

The Gospel according to Mark is a Judean by the name of Yohanna Marcus. Marcus is of Latin origin and has no Hebrew or Aramaic origin. Marcus is a Roman patrician name, as is the Apostle Shaul Palous, Paul being his surname which was a very important Roman patrician family. The name going back to the old Roman Republic.

The website also uses the old Yahwist falsehood (which as Micheal the Disciple pointed out) most Yahwists and Hebrew Rooters no longer use the argument that Jesus is really Hey Zeus. In the Greek Jesus appears as Ιησούς in the Greek Zeus appears as Ζεύς. But the Sacred Namers point to the sus at the end of Jesus to make a connection. Which is a serious etymological mistake, Listen, Zeus has as much to do with Jesus, as Moses has to do with Mice.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The group I visited at that time was located in Curitiba, Paraná, ..they may be in another location now...

They're still there. It is one of their Mate' farms.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Here is a new one for me, the group in Brazil (the one in Sister Alvear's original post) claims Elisha, means "Zeus is my supreme?" Eliseu, que significa "Zeus é meu supremo?"

Not surprisingly they fail to prove this claim.

I guess they wouldn't be able to order linguiça in Hebrew.

[Evang.Benincasa]

A trilingual inscription placed by Pontius Pilate upon the cross proclaimed Jesus Christ King of the Judeans. Jesus' name is written in Aramaic, Greek, and in Latin

Would of look something like this.



Trilingual inscriptions were commonly used in ancient times. The most popular known trilingual inscription is the Rosetta Stone. Behistun Inscription is another. Its texts were written in the cuneiform script, It has trilingual inscription in three different languages. One of them is in Old Persian, another in Elamite, and the third in Akkadian.

All of the trilingual inscriptions have all proper names transliterated in each of the languages which is used in the inscriptions.

[votivesoul]

I always believe in striving to maintain the unity of the Body in the bonds of peace.

I would contact the fellow and ask him to give you and other leaders time (maybe 3-6 months???) to pray and fast and seek the Lord for wisdom and counsel on how to respond, then ask him to come to a meeting of the elders and leaders, and there, if you're convinced he is in error, show him how and go over the information, and recommend to him to reject the teaching on those grounds and give him some time to do so.

If after the allotted time, he does not reject the teaching, but desires to continue teaching it to others, follow:

Titus 3:10,

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

And then write an "epistle", as it were, to the churches within your oversight, explaining the whole thing and advise that he not be fellowshipped or received, as one who is causing division per Romans 16:17-18 and 2 John 1:9.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I always believe in striving to maintain the unity of the Body in the bonds of peace.

I would contact the fellow and ask him to give you and other leaders time (maybe 3-6 months???) to pray and fast and seek the Lord for wisdom and counsel on how to respond, then ask him to come to a meeting of the elders and leaders, and there, if you're convinced he is in error, show him how and go over the information, and recommend to him to reject the teaching on those grounds and give him some time to do so.

If after the allotted time, he does not reject the teaching, but desires to continue teaching it to others, follow:

Titus 3:10,

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

And then write an "epistle", as it were, to the churches within your oversight, explaining the whole thing and advise that he not be fellowshipped or received, as one who is causing division per Romans 16:17-18 and 2 John 1:9.

In the meantime, you can request that he not disseminate his views until such a time as you have given yourselves to pray and fast and seek the Lord. If the spirit of the man is right, he will hopefully agree, yield to the request, and then stand by his word.

If he refuses or betrays his commitment to refrain, cross that bridge if you come to it.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

A trilingual inscription placed by Pontius Pilate upon the cross proclaimed Jesus Christ King of the Judeans. Jesus' name is written in Aramaic, Greek, and in Latin

Would of look something like this.



Trilingual inscriptions were commonly used in ancient times. The most popular known trilingual inscription is the Rosetta Stone. Behistun Inscription is another. Its texts were written in the cuneiform script, It has trilingual inscription in three different languages. One of them is in Old Persian, another in Elamite, and the third in Akkadian.

All of the trilingual inscriptions have all proper names transliterated in each of the languages which is used in the inscriptions.

Just wondering why does some places say Latin, Hebrew and Greek?
others /Aramaic, Greek, and Latin Is Hebrew and Aramaic the same for some reason?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Hebrew and Aramaic are like Portuguese and Spanish. While the former are romance Latin languages, Aramaic and Hebrew are Semitic. Scholars do agree that Aramaic was the language of Judea. Aramaic would of been referred to as Hebrew because Hebrews spoke it. As those who speak Latin are called Latins, and those who speak Greek are called Greeks. Yet we don’t have Aramaics speaking Aramaic.