Removing Zionism From the Chruch

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

Again, this is going off script about Zionism in our churches.

You brought it up, I simply followed your "script".

[Amanah]

actually, thinking about this further, Zionism is tied to eschatology, isn't it?

So if you believe the following, you are a Zionist . . .

Some Christian Zionists believe that the gathering of the Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus. The idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christians as a means of fulfilling a Biblical prophecy, has been common in Protestant circles since the Reformation.

So, changing your viewpoint on Zionism will change your eschatology?

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It was reported that Billy Graham and Benny Hinn held meetings in Jerusalem, and the only way they were allowed to do so were to state Jews have their old covenant with God and do not need Jesus for salvation. Can anyne verify that?l

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Originally Posted by Amanah

actually, thinking about this further, Zionism is tied to eschatology, isn't it?

So if you believe the following, you are a Zionist . . .

Some Christian Zionists believe that the gathering of the Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus. The idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christians as a means of fulfilling a Biblical prophecy, has been common in Protestant circles since the Reformation.

So, changing your viewpoint on Zionism will change your eschatology?

Zionism is basically a secularization of the idea Israel is supposed to have the land of Israel whether they serve God or not. It is christianized to fit, like you say, eschatology. True Torah believing Jews hate Zionism as much as God does.

[Originalist]

So the first two gatherings were ok in spite of the people who were uprooted? But your comments shed light on the real issue,.....,whether or not a third regathering is foretold. If it is not, then I still think Israel is the most natural ally we have in that region.

[jediwill83]

Oy Vey! The goyim know! Shut it down!

[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by Amanah

actually, thinking about this further, Zionism is tied to eschatology, isn't it?

So if you believe the following, you are a Zionist . . .

Some Christian Zionists believe that the gathering of the Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus. The idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christians as a means of fulfilling a Biblical prophecy, has been common in Protestant circles since the Reformation.

So, changing your viewpoint on Zionism will change your eschatology?

You are correct, that this has changed my eschatological viewpoint. I believe the Darby dispensationalist viewpoint was ingrained into the Christian Psyche through the Scofield Bible. Zionist will tell you that Americans would have never accepted the formation of Israel without the Scofield Bible.

I lean more to Kingdom Covenant Eschatology. But; I am still going through dispensational deprogramming, so I am not an expert. Any one who is an expert can expound on the differences.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

You are correct, that this has changed my eschatological viewpoint. I believe the Darby dispensationalist viewpoint was ingrained into the Christian physique through the Scofield Bible. Zionist will tell you that Americans would have never accepted the formation of Israel without the Scofield Bible.

I lean more to Kingdom Covenant Eschatology. But; I am still going through dispensational deprogramming, so I am not an expert. Any one who is an expert can expound on the differences.

I'm glad your journey has led you out of the love affair many Christians have with Jewishness and unconditional approval of Israel. However, I see you now "overcorrecting", which seems to be common with people like you. Instead of just no longer viewing your Biblical worldview through Israelocentric lenses, you become anti-Israel. That does not mean you are against people who are ethnic Jews, I understand that. But why not just embrace neutrality, as our Founders admonished us? Trying to undermine and discredit the legitimacy of the Jewish State is the other side of the same coin, just as bad as fawning all over the Jews IMO.


Now before you start again with the Jewish Media Hegelian Dialectic script, please remember I am the one that has been accused of being a Nazi and holocaust denier.

[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Oy Vey! The goyim know! Shut it down!

Wow, that is a plethora of videos. Break out the popcorn!

[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by Jito463

You brought it up, I simply followed your "script".

It is easy be sidetracked with a complicated issue. My apologies if I went off script first.