Law was an impossible system to keep - Page 4

shazeep · #31 08-06-2016, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Totally missed what I said about agape and the golden rule. Communication is gone.

well, i understand that we have different perceptions there. But the GR one is a quote? or an accurate paraphrase, anyway--BAM restate it, i've been asking. Our differences @ 'perfected at salvation' seem to be the biggie though...and really i only object on the evidence, it sounds really good in theory

let me just say that i don't know how comfortable i would be with that guy at by back

got any support for this view of different agapes?

thephnxman · #32 08-06-2016, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I agree. But the point is whether or not man could keep law. You and I both agree man could not. God knew that. But he wanted us to realize it. Law helped us realize it.

Why would God wants us to realize it?

Evang.Benincasa · #33 08-06-2016, 05:09 PM

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Why would God wants us to realize it?

To realize that we can do nothing apart from Him?

Jito463 · #34 08-06-2016, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

To realize that we can do nothing apart from Him?

mfblume · #35 08-06-2016, 06:50 PM

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Why would God wants us to realize it?

So we don't try to make ourselves righteous and never succeed, in hopes of getting us off a grind mill that never ends.

mfblume · #36 08-06-2016, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

To realize that we can do nothing apart from Him?

Exactly.

mfblume · #37 08-06-2016, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, i understand that we have different perceptions there. But the GR one is a quote? or an accurate paraphrase, anyway--BAM restate it, i've been asking. Our differences @ 'perfected at salvation' seem to be the biggie though...and really i only object on the evidence, it sounds really good in theory

let me just say that i don't know how comfortable i would be with that guy at by back

got any support for this view of different agapes?

It's not different agapes. It's different degrees of agape. None can manifest it to the level God did, primarily because he's God, but also because he's sinless and we can't die for someone as his incarnation did in agape love. That's why it says we'd only die for someone who is good to us, and that is scarce.

Romans 5: 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

shazeep · #38 08-06-2016, 07:40 PM

nice! i'll have to sleep on that, but it is support. weird how v 7 seems to differentiate a righteous and a good man, hmm.

mfblume · #39 08-06-2016, 07:43 PM

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nice! i'll have to sleep on that, but it is support. weird how v 7 seems to differentiate a righteous and a good man, hmm.

Clarke explained...

The Jews divide men, as to their moral character, into four classes: 1. Those who say, "what is mine, is my own; and what is thine, is thy own." These may be considered the just, who render to every man his due; or rather, they who neither give nor take. The second class is made up of those who say, "what is mine, is thine; and what is thine, is mine." These are they who accommodate each other, who borrow and lend. The third class is composed of those who say, "What is mine, is thine; and what is thine, let it be thine." These are the pious, or good, who give up all for the benefit of their neighbour. The fourth class are those who say, "What is mine, is mine; and what is thine, shall be mine." These are the impious, who take all, and give nothing. Now, for one of the first class, who would die? There is nothing amiable in his life or conduct that would so endear him to any man, as to induce him to risk his life to save such a person.

Peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.] This is for one of the third class, who gives all he has for the good of others. This is the truly benevolent man, whose life is devoted to the public good: for such a person, peradventure, some who have had their lives perhaps preserved by his bounty, would even dare to die: but such cases may be considered merely as possible: they exist, it is true, in romance; and we find a few rare instances of friends exposing themselves to death for their friends.

shazeep · #40 08-07-2016, 05:54 AM

many soldiers die with the belief in their hearts that they are dying for the freedoms of those they may not agree with or like; there is even a cliche they like to use about it, i'm sure you know the one. Regardless of my belief in the matter, and soldiers guarding poppy fields etc. their suicide rate tells me that many men of conscience join for the right reasons, even if they...wake up? later.