Are Men in Pentecost threatened by INTELLIGENT WOMEN?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Another troubling assumption is equating a college degree with success and/or intellect.

Not always so. My family was utlra conservative - shunned college for females and males and there are two (possibly three) of my siblings who run multi million dollar companies.

I don't think that assumption has been made ... although I did present data to show the obvious ... more women today are succeeding in higher education because the opportunity has been given to do so ...

I did say women have always been as intelligent ... which takes into account the way things used to be.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I don't think that assumption has been made ... although I did present data to show the obvious ... more women today are succeeding in higher education because the opportunity has been given to do so ...

I did say women have always been as intelligent ... which takes into account the way things used to be.

And none of this is the least bit relevant to the Church because God does not call women to leadership (elders and the "five-fold ministry") in the Church. God certainly uses women in other ways in the Church (and, no, I don't mean in the kitchen or the nursery) but does not use them in leading the Church.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Chan

And none of this is the least bit relevant to the Church because God does not call women to leadership (elders and the "five-fold ministry") in the Church. God certainly uses women in other ways in the Church (and, no, I don't mean in the kitchen or the nursery) but does not use them in leading the Church.

Although, I disagree w/ your meager interpretation of scripture on that topic ... this is not the impetus of my question ... I do not care to discuss leadership in the church ... although we can if you like ....

My question is whether or not our bias towards men leading in the church affects our attitude towards women in other types of activities ...

I think in Pentecost, that they just prefer people not ask too many questions...

if you ask too many questions, or heaven forbid, don't accept some of the pat answers to serious questions then that is frowned upon... and people who are more intelligent are by nature going to ask more questions. It does seem a little more audacious when it is a woman asking the questions than a man... if a man asks the questions, he is a rebel... if a woman asks the questions she doesn't know her place....

I thank God that I found a woman that will ask me the hard questions, and stand by my side in ALL Things in our marriage... we make decisions together and submit to each other. If this isn't biblical, I really don't care. It works for us...

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Are women on this forum intimidated by intelligent men?


Hmmmm

Do I dare answer this question? LOL.

I'll just answer for myself. (I better not try and answer for others. ) The answer is "no".

Some women don't take much to being questioned or having their ideas and opinions and beliefs challenged by anybody. Some women have major "men" issues.

But then the converse can be equally true as well.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Although, I disagree w/ your meager interpretation of scripture on that topic ... this is not the impetus of my question ... I do not care to discuss leadership in the church ... although we can if you like ....

My question is whether or not our bias towards men leading in the church affects our attitude towards women in other types of activities ...

Your use of the word "bias" in that context is inappropriate. GOD decides who gets to lead and who doesn't in the Church. But to answer your question, I think it depends on the individual man whether he actually extends God's established order in the Church outside the church. For me, I really don't care what this wicked world does with regard to men and women. However, this world's utter perversity in trying to erase the distinctions between male and female and to paint males as being contemptible creatures in need of a woman's superior character is a rejection of God's created design for male and female and, as such, is treason against God. Any Christian who tries to bring the world's attitudes and values into the Church is also committing treason against God.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I think in Pentecost, that they just prefer people not ask too many questions...

if you ask too many questions, or heaven forbid, don't accept some of the pat answers to serious questions then that is frowned upon... and people who are more intelligent are by nature going to ask more questions. It does seem a little more audacious when it is a woman asking the questions than a man... if a man asks the questions, he is a rebel... if a woman asks the questions she doesn't know her place....

I thank God that I found a woman that will ask me the hard questions, and stand by my side in ALL Things in our marriage... we make decisions together and submit to each other. If this isn't biblical, I really don't care. It works for us...

Very fair assessment ... SD.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Women earned 45.1 percent of bachelor's degrees in business in 1984-5 and 50 percent by 2001-2, up from only 9.1 percent in 1970-1."


It is fairly well known that women today outnumber men in American colleges. In 2003, there were 1.35 females for every male who graduated from a four-year college and 1.3 females for every male undergraduate. That contrasts with 1960, when there were 1.6 males for every female graduating from a U.S. four-year college and 1.55 males for every female undergraduate.

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With more and more women now dominating the college scene in our society, we are seeing the glass ceiling slowly by surely crumble in business, gov't and professional sectors.

Women have always been as intelligent as men but most of us recognize that there has been a change in paradigms that are centuries old.

Now enter the Church. Among most Pentecostal circles women have traditionally not held many positions of leadership and have not been as vocal as they are today.

One only needs to look at the number of licensed ministers in some fellowships to see that there is still a disproportionate balance.

Although, I don't think this will change anytime soon ... nor am I advocating a crusade .... it is somewhat troubling to me.

however, my question is as follows ... have some men allowed their view of church hierarchy to pervade in their attitudes towards intelligent, independent-thinking and vocal women in other venues ?

... let's say ... like on an online forum or other secular activities?

Are they threatened to see that males aren't always in charge or the purveyors of higher thought?

What say ye?

Tell us Dan,

Why are you intimidated by intelligent women.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Tell us Dan,

Why are you intimidated by intelligent women.

I find any intelligent person, male or female, to be challenging, thought-provoking and admirable as intelligence is a God-given gift.

How 'bout you Thumps?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Women earned 45.1 percent of bachelor's degrees in business in 1984-5 and 50 percent by 2001-2, up from only 9.1 percent in 1970-1."


It is fairly well known that women today outnumber men in American colleges. In 2003, there were 1.35 females for every male who graduated from a four-year college and 1.3 females for every male undergraduate. That contrasts with 1960, when there were 1.6 males for every female graduating from a U.S. four-year college and 1.55 males for every female undergraduate.

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With more and more women now dominating the college scene in our society, we are seeing the glass ceiling slowly by surely crumble in the business, gov't and professional sectors.


Women have always been as intelligent as men but most of us recognize that there has been a change in paradigms that are centuries old.

Now enter the Church. Among most Pentecostal circles women have traditionally not held many positions of leadership and have not been as vocal as they are today.

One only needs to look at the number of licensed ministers in some fellowships to see that there is still a disproportionate balance.

Although, I don't think this will change anytime soon ... nor am I advocating a crusade .... it is somewhat troubling to me.

however, my question is as follows ... have some men allowed their view of church hierarchy to pervade in their attitudes towards intelligent, independent-thinking and vocal women in other venues. ?

... let's say like on an online forum or other secular activities?

Are they threatened to see that males aren't always in charge or the purveyors of higher thought?

What say ye?

Women in churches are about 10 to 1 keep up the good work Brothers.

Effeminate young men in churches (some who become "music ministers") are due to all the strong vocal women who shoot for the male roles in the church.

Is this the woman's fault? I would say no, because of all those "men" who are fast asleep on the pews. I mean men who are literally asleep who are nodding out in morning services. They look like heroin junkies nodding after they spiked up.

So guess what the women have to pick up the ball and run with it because they want their children to live for God. Their husbands are not really too heavily into the Christian scene as much as the wife, and after all the church they attend is pretty much dominated by one man and his wife and children, so there's not much hope for a guy going anywhere in that system.

Women tend to grow like weeds in that kind of religious system.

Men have to have battle and conquest, hunter, and gatherer, they follow well someone who has their best interest in mind. They will roar into any situation as long as it's a group effort and that everyone will benefit from the final goal.

If men do their jobs the women will be more than happy to do theirs.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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