By Labeling each other have we moved from A Movement to a Denomination?? - Page 4

Digging4Truth · #31 02-22-2007, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rrford

Are you saying that one should not disfellowship over preterism which denies the great hope of the Church?

Preterism does not deny the great hope of the church.

Full Preterism may fulfill your allusion but Partial does not in any way.

If I remember correctly... the arguement of many who were happy to see these fine brethren sent on their way was that anyone who is a partial preterist is doomed to become a full preterist.

So I guess the thought is to go ahead and kick them out now rather than waste time waiting on it to happen.

rrford · #32 02-22-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Preterism does not deny the great hope of the church.

Full Preterism may fulfill your allusion but Partial does not in any way.

If I remember correctly... the arguement of many who were happy to see these fine brethren sent on their way was that anyone who is a partial preterist is doomed to become a full preterist.

So I guess the thought is to go ahead and kick them out now rather than waste time waiting on it to happen.

Speaking of illusions, had the majority of the body felt that partial-preterism was as divisive as full preterism then that would have been part of the Resolution. Since partial preterism was directly addressed via specific issues then it is obvious not everyone feels a partial preterist will become a full preterist. Obviously, there is some confusion over the term. I supposed to say that preterism is and of ittsef full-preterism. Partial-preterism is referred to as just that, partial-preterism. Sorry for the confusion on that. But having clarified my usage I stand by the original statement.

I think time tells all. Blanket statements are always dangerous. Kind of like "Everyone who leaves standards will change the message." Although it may happen in a majority of cases it does not hapen every time.

Digging4Truth · #33 02-22-2007, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rrford

Speaking of illusions, had the majority of the body felt that partial-preterism was as divisive as full preterism then that would have been part of the Resolution. Since partial preterism was directly addressed via specific issues then it is obvious not everyone feels a partial preterist will become a full preterist. Obviously, there is some confusion over the term. I supposed to say that preterism is and of ittsef full-preterism. Partial-preterism is referred to as just that, partial-preterism. Sorry for the confusion on that. But having clarified my usage I stand by the original statement.

I think time tells all. Blanket statements are always dangerous. Kind of like "Everyone who leaves standards will change the message." Although it may happen in a majority of cases it does not hapen every time.

I didn't accuse anyone of having illusions.. I just mentioned your allusion...

But... are you saying that UPC pastors who are partial preterists will not be affected by the resolution and can continue to hold a UPC license while they preach and believe partial preterism?

AGAPE · #34 02-22-2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Are the Words of This Thread True??

By our Labeling of each other have we transitioned from a Movement into a Denomination..

Thereby destroying ourselves from the Inside out?

It would seem that there are many splinters in the UPC nowadays.. Men who once respected the difference's of the others now isolate fellowship over simple differences.

I am NOT speaking of differences of Grand Proportions but insignificant differences...

We put labels on everything nowadays.. and if we disagree with someone we label them.. as to categorize the Organization..

Don't have him preach.. He wears a Wedding ring...
Don't have him preach.. He preaches against short sleeves..

Paul warned against this in the New Testament.. and we commit it everyday..

Paul said.. some are of Apollos and some of Cephas... and some of Him.. and others say they are of Christ..

I ask you as Paul asked??? IS CHRIST DIVIDED???

Paul said that NO Flesh should be glorified... are we sinning by labeling each other??

He said in Chapter 3 of Corinthians...

3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

I am guilty of labeling co-laborers and for that I am Sorry!!

I do NOt want to be counted as Carnal in this matter... Because it is God that gives the increase...

Good grief.
The Apostles preached against jewelry

rrford · #35 02-22-2007, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I didn't accuse anyone of having illusions.. I just mentioned your allusion...

But... are you saying that UPC pastors who are partial preterists will not be affected by the resolution and can continue to hold a UPC license while they preach and believe partial preterism?

So long as they are not in contradiction to the wording of the Resolution I see no reason why they would not be allowed to do so.

Out of time until this afternoon. I'll try to post the actual wording and we can go from there.

Be Blessed!

Digging4Truth · #36 02-22-2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rrford

So long as they are not in contradiction to the wording of the Resolution I see no reason why they would not be allowed to do so.

Out of time until this afternoon. I'll try to post the actual wording and we can go from there.

Be Blessed!

Thank you sir... that would be greatly appreciated.

Have a great day.

Until then....

tv1a · #37 02-23-2007, 05:26 AM

Did the apostles preach against jewelry? Look again...

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1 Tim 2:9
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
KJV
1 Tim 2:9
9 And I want women to be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves by the way they fix their hair or by wearing gold or pearls or expensive clothes.
NLT

#1. If this verse is to be taken literally, it only applies to women. (Men will be dealt with later.)
#2. The principle of the scripture is not to ban jewelry, but to encourage women to dress as to not draw attention to themselves.
The best example I can come up with on short notice is various earrings. There are some earrings that are small and insignificant, while there are others with hoops so large one can slam dunk a basketball through.

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James 2:2-4
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
KJV

This passage doesn't teach against jewelry. The theme of this passage deals with the prejudices based onn one's appearance.

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Originally Posted by AGAPE

Good grief.
The Apostles preached against jewelry

Rhoni · #38 02-23-2007, 06:31 AM

UPC is a denomination!

Digging4Truth · #39 02-23-2007, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

UPC is a denomination!

Yep.

Brother Price · #40 02-23-2007, 07:34 AM

If the UPC is a denomination, then she is just likened to the trinitarian churches. No, she is not a denomination, but an organization of like minded Apostolics, who have stood the test of time, and made themselves right with the Lord.

I am so thankful to be in a UPC church. Yes, I am in a UPC church, a conservative one, that has all nationalities represented there. Holiness is preached, and standards are raised. But, so is a compassionate love and affection for one another. So, maybe, just maybe, we can get off of the UPC's back, and spend more time edifying the Church, and not bash a part of it.