Did Christians and Apostolics Convert Nazis?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

This war against terror cant be compared to Nazi Germany and WW2.

Can you explain why?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

What I do know is that there was no chance of ISIS under Hussein. Iraq was relatively stable until we invaded, destroyed their governmental infrastructure, devalued their currency and everything else we did to make sure that Iraq was not functional.

We didn't properly repair what we destroyed. Then, we left them. In the absence of true leadership, ISIS took control. ISIS has American weaponry and American military tanks and hummers because the Iraqi army was weak and because we helped to fund and arm rebels in Syria who were treacherous-- selling and even giving their American weapons away to ISIS.

This kind of stuff happens when there is a lack of leadership and in this case, the lack of leadership is not just over there, but it is in the White House too.

We destroyed Iraq, didn't build it back up properly, and didn't establish the right leaders who would lead in Iraq.

Islam is incompatible with an elected representative government (at least the current version of Islam).
It can only function under a dictatorship, imo.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Can you explain why?

Because different ideologies, different circumstances that lead to their birthing just to name a few. We created the war on terror by doing several things. We training Al Queda. We have armed Isis. Also, the region was much more stable with Assad, Suddam, and Gaddafi being in power. We helped get rid of those men.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Because different ideologies, different circumstances that lead to their birthing just to name a few. We created the war on terror by doing several things. We training Al Queda. We have armed Isis. Also, the region was much more stable with Assad, Suddam, and Gaddafi being in power. We helped get rid of those men.

How about if we left Hitler and Mussolini in power?

[Esaias]

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

What I do know is that there was no chance of ISIS under Hussein. Iraq was relatively stable until we invaded, destroyed their governmental infrastructure, devalued their currency and everything else we did to make sure that Iraq was not functional.

We didn't properly repair what we destroyed. Then, we left them. In the absence of true leadership, ISIS took control. ISIS has American weaponry and American military tanks and hummers because the Iraqi army was weak and because we helped to fund and arm rebels in Syria who were treacherous-- selling and even giving their American weapons away to ISIS.

This kind of stuff happens when there is a lack of leadership and in this case, the lack of leadership is not just over there, but it is in the White House too.

We destroyed Iraq, didn't build it back up properly, and didn't establish the right leaders who would lead in Iraq.

So, it's all the result of a bunch of bumbling imbeciles who don;t know what they're doing?

Really? I think Occam's Razor would dictate that ISIS has American weapons because we airdrop them to them on a regular basis (or were until Russia began bombing runs). I would also submit to you that these 'oopsies' are not oopsies at all, but intentional, planned, and serve a purpose.

The secular, stable governments of the Mid East had to be destabilised in order for certain things to get done, things that are in the interests of various groups that stand to profit (and have!) from exactly what has been going on. Groups ranging from Shell and Haliburton to the Saudis and Qatar and Bahrain and their power brokers and emirs etc, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not pretend Israel doesn't have any interests in the region (!) as if they are just sitting around watching tv.

All this has actually been stated in public as the 'plan', going back decades.

There is a reason the Ayatollah came into power in Iran, you do remember that, right? And how that came about?

The media and the government promote this idea that world affairs are the results of 'oopsies' and 'mistakes'. Funny though how people actually in power have repeatedly stated things like 'nothing in politics happens by mistake' and 'if it happens, somebody planned it that way'. The accidental view of history is right up there with Dianetics as a viable philosophy.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, it's all the result of a bunch of bumbling imbeciles who don;t know what they're doing?

Really? I think Occam's Razor would dictate that ISIS has American weapons because we airdrop them to them on a regular basis (or were until Russia began bombing runs). I would also submit to you that these 'oopsies' are not oopsies at all, but intentional, planned, and serve a purpose.

The secular, stable governments of the Mid East had to be destabilised in order for certain things to get done, things that are in the interests of various groups that stand to profit (and have!) from exactly what has been going on. Groups ranging from Shell and Haliburton to the Saudis and Qatar and Bahrain and their power brokers and emirs etc, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not pretend Israel doesn't have any interests in the region (!) as if they are just sitting around watching tv.

All this has actually been stated in public as the 'plan', going back decades.

There is a reason the Ayatollah came into power in Iran, you do remember that, right? And how that came about?

The media and the government promote this idea that world affairs are the results of 'oopsies' and 'mistakes'. Funny though how people actually in power have repeatedly stated things like 'nothing in politics happens by mistake' and 'if it happens, somebody planned it that way'. The accidental view of history is right up there with Dianetics as a viable philosophy.

You do understand this is not a very popular view?
Well, at least you didn't bring up something crazy like war is fought for corporate gain. Or that the whole situation is more like Game of Thrones than the Republic put in place by the framers of the constitution.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, it's all the result of a bunch of bumbling imbeciles who don;t know what they're doing?

Really? I think Occam's Razor would dictate that ISIS has American weapons because we airdrop them to them on a regular basis (or were until Russia began bombing runs). I would also submit to you that these 'oopsies' are not oopsies at all, but intentional, planned, and serve a purpose.

The secular, stable governments of the Mid East had to be destabilised in order for certain things to get done, things that are in the interests of various groups that stand to profit (and have!) from exactly what has been going on. Groups ranging from Shell and Haliburton to the Saudis and Qatar and Bahrain and their power brokers and emirs etc, etc, etc. Oh, and let's not pretend Israel doesn't have any interests in the region (!) as if they are just sitting around watching tv.

All this has actually been stated in public as the 'plan', going back decades.

There is a reason the Ayatollah came into power in Iran, you do remember that, right? And how that came about?

The media and the government promote this idea that world affairs are the results of 'oopsies' and 'mistakes'. Funny though how people actually in power have repeatedly stated things like 'nothing in politics happens by mistake' and 'if it happens, somebody planned it that way'. The accidental view of history is right up there with Dianetics as a viable philosophy.

I agree with you. ISIS make Assad, Suddam, Gadaffi look like girl scouts

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Your revisionist history stances are appalling.


When it comes to WWI:
Germany attacked our allies;
Germany attacked us.

When it comes to WWII:
Germany's ally attacked us;
Hitler needed to be stopped.

No matter how bad things became in Germany between WWI and WWII, there remains no justification for the hatred that festered and the actions that occurred in Nazi Germany.

Germany was a secondary player in the Ww1, bound by treaty to defend Austria. We were not bound by a treaty to defend anyone. Britain had arms smuggled aboard the Lusitania. What kind of country endangers lives of civilians by putting arms aboard a passenger ship? It was NOT our problem. We were duped by communist bankers who were supporting the Bolsheviks in Russia and saw Germany as a major obstacle to a communist take over of Europe.

Germany's ally attacked us? And that was Germany's fault? Why did we pick a fight with Japan? Why did FDR let the Japs attack Pearl Harbor? Please explain how siding with Stalin was a good thing. Please explain why hundreds of millions of Soviet citizens viewed the Nazis as liberators. Is Pat Buchanan siding with Hitler? Did you even watch the clip? Geesh Jermyn. Why are you having such a hard time hiding your inner Democrat today?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Geesh Jermyn. Why are you having such a hard time hiding your inner Democrat today?

Some days are better than others, I suppose.