Interesting Article on Same Sex Marriage

[ILG]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1411838

Scientific article says Leakage of HIV-sized particles through latex condoms was detectable (P less than 0.03) for as many as 29 of the 89 condoms tested.

[GISG]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Churches shouldn't incorporate with the government. Ministers shouldn't seek a license with the government. Christian couples shouldn't seek to license their marriages with the government.

It's looking more and more like the Quakers were right all along.

Quakers marry same sex couples so I'm not so sure they have anything right.

[GISG]

Originally Posted by ILG

Very interesting you tube video.

By the sounds, it looks like they have a lot in common with the "global warming" crowd.
Homosexuality was always viewed as a mental illness, just like "climate change" use to be called the "change of seasons". There wasn't any money or votes in that though.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by ILG

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1411838

Scientific article says Leakage of HIV-sized particles through latex condoms was detectable (P less than 0.03) for as many as 29 of the 89 condoms tested.

I am totally blown away by this article. They never tell people this high failure rate concerning "safe sex"! This is from the National Institute of Health!

Abstract
Condoms were tested in an in vitro system simulating key physical conditions that can influence viral particle leakage through condoms during actual coitus. The system quantitatively addresses pressure, pH, temperature, surfactant properties, and anatomical geometry. A suspension of fluorescence-labeled, 110-nm polystyrene microspheres models free human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in semen, and condom leakage is detected spectrofluorometrically. Leakage of HIV-sized particles through latex condoms was detectable (P less than 0.03) for as many as 29 of the 89 condoms tested. Worst-case condom barrier effectiveness (fluid transfer prevention), however, is shown to be at least 10(4) times better than not using a condom at all, suggesting that condom use substantially reduces but does not eliminate the risk of HIV transmission.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by GISG

Quakers marry same sex couples so I'm not so sure they have anything right.

Yes, there are liberal Quakers... but that isn't the point...

The point is, historically, Quakers have practiced their faith without becoming entwined with the government to the point of risking their spiritual distinctions. They don't always incorporate, their ministers don't have to seek licensing, and they don't always register their marriages with the state.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by GISG

Quakers marry same sex couples so I'm not so sure they have anything right.

You make another excellent point. The more liberal Quakers have been open to same sex marriages and relationships for many decades. And since they do not believe that marriage is a civil institution, they've not pushed their beliefs onto anyone else.

So, again, this shows how even the liberal perspective on the issue is best when divorced from government.

Private associations and personal relationships are indeed best kept in the private sphere. It isn't the government's job to regulate our private lives, churches, or sacraments.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

The churches need to lose tax exemption ASAP. Especially if they will be forced to comply with this or lose it.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

The churches need to lose tax exemption ASAP. Especially if they will be forced to comply with this or lose it.

Why are you so intent on taxing churches?

For that matter, why do you seem to support income taxes to begin with?

[Pressing-On]

Data Faked In Study About Gay People Changing Voters’ Minds

A researcher apparently made up the results of the much-publicized study, as revealed Tuesday by scientists trying to replicate it.

Donald Green, the lead author on the study, retracted it on Tuesday shortly after learning that his co-author, UCLA graduate student Michael LaCour, had faked the results.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/virginiahugh...gay-canvassers

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why are you so intent on taxing churches?

For that matter, why do you seem to support income taxes to begin with?

Churches have zero right being tax exempt.

Without income tax, how are we going to pay for that bloated defense budget you GOPers love so much? That is about the only thing we are actually number one in the world at.