Apostolic Study Bible

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Want more evidence that shows "corruption" of the sacred Writ by the addendums, notes, etc., which appears in the UPCI KJV Apostolic Study Bible? If so, please consider the following:

On Page #1624, printed in the commentary on Luke 18:8, that is, the question our Lord tendered to the Pharisees (see Luke 17:20), saying, "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" we find this explanatory note:

"However, Jesus posed a probing rhetorical question (v. 8): upon His return, will His followers actively be exercising their faith after the manner of the widow's tenacious supplicatory prayers?"

First, and perhaps of foremost importance, it MUST be noted that our Lord was NOT, in tendering this question, referring to the faith of His "followers," or whether they would be exercising it at the time of His return, although, admittedly, the purpose of His telling of this parable was to show "that men ought always to pray, and not to faint" - vs. #18:1).

Secondly, our Lord's question was NOT a "rethorical" one at all! A "rethorical" question is one that is stated to which NO answer is expected; sort of a "what if," if you please. And so, I find it quite absurd for anyone to even do so much as suggest that the Almighty God would ever indulge in such frivolity (i.e., words that have no serious purpose or value; carefree, or superficial).

Indeed, to me at least, the publication of such a flippant explanatory statement as that I've taken note of which appears in the UPCI KJV Apostolic Study Bible almost "borders" on blasphemy!

I do NOT point out these things in an effort to belittle or harange anyone, especially my brethren. However, my concern is this: because those whom I personally know and love among my brethren, and who are not as knowledgeable as they ought to be concerning many of the writings of the Scriptures that are "hard to be understood," and have, or will purchase this publication, expecting to increase their understanding of truth, will, instead, be lead further into ignorance about some things from which they may never recover.

I've stated it many times during these past 27+ years following my conversion from Trinitarianism to Oneness Apostolic Pentecostalism, and I do so here once again; The gravest of all human endeavors occurs when imperfect mortals, such as we all are, takes the book containing the sacred written Oracles of God in hand, opens its covers, and proceeds to employ their understanding of it in an attempt to influence or establish the fundamental beliefs of their fellow man. There is just NO greater endeavor that we mortals could even willingly and knowingly engage ourselves in doing!

As for me, I would rather leave the covers of this sacred book tightly sealed, should it be that I was not absolutely confident of that portion of it I might use to accomplish such an important endeavor, than to presumptiously think myself to be capable of knowing its contents by my own flawed intellect rather than being given an understanding of it by the Spirit Himself. If I have not been assured by the Spirit of the veracity of that which I publicly express as truth, I simply refrain from publishing it!

To this end I always try to be mindful of the words of our Lord: ""But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned" (Matthew 12:36-37, KJV).

Remember, Paul the apostle advises us: "A LITTLE leaven leaveneth the WHOLE lump" (Galatians 5:9, KJV).

Yeah...actually the context IS speaking about believers
Luk 18:1 And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart.
Luk 18:2 He said, "In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man.
Luk 18:3 And there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, 'Give me justice against my adversary.'
Luk 18:4 For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, 'Though I neither fear God nor respect man,
Luk 18:5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice, so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming.'"
Luk 18:6 And the Lord said, "Hear what the unrighteous judge says.
Luk 18:7 And will not God give justice to his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them?
Luk 18:8 I tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?"

And the question WAS Rhetorical...nobody did answer it, not even Jesus.

A rhetorical question is a figure of speech in the form of a question that is asked in order to make a point, rather than to elicit an answer.[1] Though classically stated as a proper question, such a rhetorical device may be posed declaratively by implying a question, and therefore may not always require a question mark when written. Though a rhetorical question does not require a direct answer, in many cases it may be intended to start a discussion or at least draw an acknowledgement that the listener understands the intended message.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I bought one of these bibles and I am somewhat disappointed that there are not MORE footnotes.

I was baptized in the NAME of Jesus in 1982, at Faith Tabernacle, in Avondale, Arizona:
under the ministry of Pastor Frost. I've wondered why there was never a "Bible" published
with the apostolic persuasion. I have always used the Thompson Chain Reference
Bible, and am not afraid to use it: "...if you take forth the precious from the vile, you shall
be as my mouth: let them return unto you but return not thou unto them."

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That fact remains that everything you or I state even on this forum is and will be critiqued as you did with the edition of the bible you referred to. And we've both said things here that we've critiqued as error, and refused to change our positions, anyway. So, why bother with such a strong stand like that? We're all guilty of what you speak against.

Exactly. Which is why we cannot be unkind to others who may understand things differently than we do now. I believe we are all on a journey, and that our focus should be on JESUS who is truth, and our hearts should be grounded in faith, and in the tenets of Heb. 6:1.

There are many other things that are "up in the air", and perhaps never to be settled for certain until the hereafter. While I enjoy many of these discussions, to a point, I have to leave things alone, because there are some things that I may see one way very clearly, and someone another way, but does that mean one is wrong, and the other right, or could it mean that we are both wrong, or it could mean that we are both right? Again, the answer to that "rhetorical" question will never be known for sure in this life.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

I was baptized in the NAME of Jesus in 1982, at Faith Tabernacle, in Avondale, Arizona:
under the ministry of Pastor Frost. I've wondered why there was never a "Bible" published
with the apostolic persuasion. I have always used the Thompson Chain Reference
Bible, and am not afraid to use it: "...if you take forth the precious from the vile, you shall
be as my mouth: let them return unto you but return not thou unto them."

Yeah, I also have a Thompson Chain Bible, I do like it a lot more.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Exactly. Which is why we cannot be unkind to others who may understand things differently than we do now. I believe we are all on a journey, and that our focus should be on JESUS who is truth, and our hearts should be grounded in faith, and in the tenets of Heb. 6:1.

There are many other things that are "up in the air", and perhaps never to be settled for certain until the hereafter. While I enjoy many of these discussions, to a point, I have to leave things alone, because there are some things that I may see one way very clearly, and someone another way, but does that mean one is wrong, and the other right, or could it mean that we are both wrong, or it could mean that we are both right? Again, the answer to that "rhetorical" question will never be known for sure in this life.

I love this post, thanks for sharing Kept!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I love this post, thanks for sharing Kept!

Glad we agree

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I love this post, thanks for sharing Kept!

What I did not understand is: if someone doesn't like the Scofield (I found that I disagreed with
too many of the footnotes), or the Thompson, etc., what will a man use! I guess one would have
to rely solely upon the Holy Spirit...but who will establish the "truth" one has received? I mean,
most of us in the church use a Bible that would be discredited by a loner; thus making us a discredit!

"If a man will be in the ministry, his doctrine must correspond to that of the apostles and prophets within the scriptures."

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Yeah, I also have a Thompson Chain Bible, I do like it a lot more.

lol...I haven't cracked open a bible in a long time. All my bibles and study are on computer

[Michael The Disciple]

I have never owned a study Bible. Never wanted one.

[Jay]

I own both a Thompson-Chain and a Scofield. I have enjoyed and used them both, depending on the circumstances. I have contemplated getting one of these as well. Dad just bought one for his use, and I may ask if I can peruse it and see if I want it.