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11-07-2014, 06:21 PM
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Her sins are past and forgiven. I haven't seen anyone refute that. The discussion is the lack of wisdom on the part of the young pastor, who jumped into an engagement with a new convert. Doesn't matter what she did pre-conversion, I don't care if she was a Duggar, the problem is the lack of judgment on the pastor rushing into the relationship.
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11-07-2014, 06:57 PM
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Re: UPC Minister engaged to former Porn Star
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Originally Posted by n david
So many red flags. But he's 23 and likely isn't thinking with his head.
She owned an adult club for years, it was shut down over violations. In March she was DUI. In June she filmed an x-rated movie.
I understand God can change a person, but sin leaves stains. This young man is a pastor. How can he expect to effectively counsel anyone, especially another couple? At 23 years old, it has to be difficult enough to counsel older saints; put his wife in the mix and it adds to the difficulty.
I'd be finding another church, if I were a member there.
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I agree with you. Particularly your first sentence. I think it will be wonderful for this woman to have a new life and marry but this is way too soon. She needs to get grounded in Christ first then think about a husband. Even at 23 years old this man should know all this if he is a pastor. Of course as you pointed out he is not thinking with his intellect at this point.
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11-07-2014, 07:38 PM
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Re: UPC Minister engaged to former Porn Star
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What an absolutely ridiculous thread.  If she has turned her life around, why are we even discussing this? She isn't anything other than a Christian, whose sins are covered by the blood of Christ, the same as the rest of us. This title should read: "UPC Minister's Son Engaged To a New Convert In New York."  |
Because she has not been a convert long. That seems to be the concern..and they were not dating long and he is very young
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11-07-2014, 07:46 PM
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Re: UPC Minister engaged to former Porn Star
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The problem is not the past it is the present. Any minister marrying a brand new convert is not very wise. God surely can and will forgive her past. We all become new creatures with no past. Wisdom would tell any minister to wait and see some tract record.
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This is the situation in a nutshell. Good post.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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11-07-2014, 08:31 PM
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Re: UPC Minister engaged to former Porn Star
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Originally Posted by n david
Her sins are past and forgiven. I haven't seen anyone refute that. The discussion is the lack of wisdom on the part of the young pastor, who jumped into an engagement with a new convert. Doesn't matter what she did pre-conversion, I don't care if she was a Duggar, the problem is the lack of judgment on the pastor rushing into the relationship.
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I believe you said it correctly in your other post.
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Originally Posted by n david
So many red flags. But he's 23 and likely isn't thinking with his head.
She owned an adult club for years, it was shut down over violations. In March she was DUI. In June she filmed an x-rated movie.
I understand God can change a person, but sin leaves stains. This young man is a pastor. How can he expect to effectively counsel anyone, especially another couple? At 23 years old, it has to be difficult enough to counsel older saints; put his wife in the mix and it adds to the difficulty.
I'd be finding another church, if I were a member there.
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11-07-2014, 08:42 PM
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Re: UPC Minister engaged to former Porn Star
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I believe you said it correctly in your other post.
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wasn't there a prophet that married a hooker.
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11-07-2014, 08:45 PM
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Re: UPC Minister engaged to former Porn Star
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Yes bro., but all this stuff is in confidentiality. This thread is trashing a soul that has repented. We are no different than the Pharisee Simon in the passage I presented.
I felt the Holy Ghost smite me with sorrow as I posted that.
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No it's not! It was in the news
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Re: UPC Minister engaged to former Porn Star
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wasn't there a prophet that married a hooker.
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Yeah he did and if I remember correctly, she left him and went back to her old ways. That story is a story of heartache and redemption, but IMHO mostly heartache.
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Re: UPC Minister engaged to former Porn Star
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wasn't there a prophet that married a hooker.
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The bible does not call them hookers...you have to use only official KJV words...they are whores
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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11-07-2014, 08:55 PM
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Re: UPC Minister engaged to former Porn Star
Hos 1:2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.
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