Changes within UPC (recent)

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Miss Scarlett

Should our Apostolic Pastors be forced to go out into the workplace like the ordinary breadwinner then? Is that what you think Sean?

In my old church, that was the case. Pastors worked outside the church (full-time). They literally came from work to church during the week.

I actually think that is the way it should be BUT I can see the benefit of having a full-time pastor.

What I can't understand is that some people think just because you are anti-tithes, you are against supporting the church. That is not the case at all. I would have no problem in helping to pay the bills for the church and/or salary for the pastor. My problem is when someone says it is my duty and it should be a certain percentage of my income and if I miss a penny I am going to hell.

I am suppose to pay my pastor's salary and feed him before I feed my kids or I will be in condemnation. The bible doesn't say that.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

UPC doesn't teach soul sleep and annihilation? What do they teach? (I'm asking because I am interested in knowing)

To be honest, I was thinking about attending a UPC church in my area last Sunday just to see for myself. I might go and visit this Sunday.

One thing you have to admit about UPC, from the outside, they seem really organized than most churches. To me that is a plus. Let everything be done is decent and in order. Confusion bothers me.

What exactly do you want to know?

We do not believe in soul sleep, we do not believe in the annihilation of the dead, (sorry MTD lol) We believe in One God and that Jesus is God manifest in flesh, we believe in Acts 2:38, we believe in not only inward but outward holiness (please don't stone me). We believe in tithes (although I personally do not teach it as a salvational issue). These are just some of the things that we believe, you could always google our website and follow the "what we believe" link i guess. www.upci.org

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

What exactly do you want to know?

We do not believe in soul sleep, we do not believe in the annihilation of the dead, (sorry MTD lol) We believe in One God and that Jesus is God manifest in flesh, we believe in Acts 2:38, we believe in not only inward but outward holiness (please don't stone me). We believe in tithes (although I personally do not teach it as a salvational issue). These are just some of the things that we believe, you could always google our website and follow the "what we believe" link i guess. www.upci.org

Ok. So let me get this clear.

Soul Sleep - One dies and their soul remains "sleep" until God returns. He rises them from the dead and if they are holy they go to heaven and if they are unholy they go to hell to burn forever.

annihilation - One dies and their soul remains "sleep" until God returns. He rises them from the dead and if they are holy they go to heaven and if they are unholy their soul get annihilated. (I could not help but laugh)


So I thought every apostolic church believed in soul sheep and did not believe in annihilation.

Forgive me, Sometimes I type things different then what is in my mind to type.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

Ok. So let me get this clear.

Soul Sleep - One dies and their soul remains "sleep" until God returns. He rises them from the dead and if they are holy they go to heaven and if they are unholy they go to hell to burn forever.

annihilation - One dies and their soul remains "sleep" until God returns. He rises them from the dead and if they are holy they go to heaven and if they are unholy their soul get annihilated. (I could not help but laugh)


So I thought every apostolic church believed in soul sheep and did not believe in annihilation.

Forgive me, Sometimes I type things different then what is in my mind to type.

I guess that's what soul sleep is, I don't agree with it however.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

What exactly do you want to know?

We do not believe in soul sleep, we do not believe in the annihilation of the dead, (sorry MTD lol) We believe in One God and that Jesus is God manifest in flesh, we believe in Acts 2:38, we believe in not only inward but outward holiness (please don't stone me). We believe in tithes (although I personally do not teach it as a salvational issue). These are just some of the things that we believe, you could always google our website and follow the "what we believe" link i guess. www.upci.org

On 10-10-2011 Bro Eastman said:

I now believe in the annialation of the dead.

So really the UPC gets credit for teaching Oneness and Acts 2:38. Other than that it is a very spiritually starved denomination.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

On 10-10-2011 Bro Eastman said:



So really the UPC gets credit for teaching Oneness and Acts 2:38. Other than that it is a very spiritually starved denomination.

Kind of a broad statement there MTD. But they do seem stuck in a time warp.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I guess that's what soul sleep is, I don't agree with it however.

To deny soul sleep is to deny the gospel.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Kind of a broad statement there MTD. But they do seem stuck in a time warp.

Once you get to know the Denomination I think you will agree.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

To deny soul sleep is to deny the gospel.

What?!

Explain yourself.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

What?!

Explain yourself.

Keep in mind the issue is "the gospel". They say that means "good news". What is the good news? That Jesus died and rose again! Not that men have immortality at death.

Now look at what Paul told the Christians was the good news.

1 Thess. 4:13-18

13But I would not have you to be ignorant , brethren, concerning them which are asleep , that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again , even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep . 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Look very closely at what this says. He specifies that the dead are ASLEEP. He tells them plainly what their HOPE IS. That Christ will come and then the DEAD will be raised. There is not one word about anything else that could be their hope or GOOD NEWS.

Verse 17 tells us that THEN.....the coming of Jesus and resurrection of the DEAD we shall ever be with the Lord! Not before then but THEN.

The final verse puts the immortal soul/instant Heaven theory to rest.

In everything Paul said to them about the dead, those who sleep in Christ, NOT A WORD about such doctrine.

He says to COMFORT EACH OTHER with the words he just wrote them.

In other words THE GOOD NEWS!

See? The good news he offered the Thessalonians was that they would be raised at the second coming and nothing else. Comfort other than what the Apostle offered them is false comfort A FALSE GOSPEL!