The Supreme Court Quietly Gave In To Gay Marriage:

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Gay marriage is not a civil rights issue. No State has to sanction marriage of any kind. States' marriage laws were fair and equal. Straight men could only marry women. Gay men could only marry women. Straight women could only marry men. Gay women could only marry men. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that gives any branch of the Federal Government authority to force States to let people of the same sex marry.

Personally, i wish my State would stop sanctioning ALL marriage. Let people have church weddings and then go make a social contract at a lawyer's office.

Sounds good to me.

And yes it is a civil rights issue. Are you giving a class of people rights that another class does have?

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

What did I say about adopting kids? I am not following you. What does a straight couple adopting kids have to do with homosexual marriage and the kkk. I though I said I wasn't opposed to interracial marriage just homosexuality.

Well I guess by your definition of marriage it should only be for couples the reproduce.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

When there is laws in place then they should be enforced. I wasn't talking meaning majority opinion on individual cases. Interacial marriages may have been unpopular in the past, but most people today wouldn't vote to make it illegal. Laws should be in place by what the American people (majority) think is fair. I do realize that it will not always be perfect, but it makes the most sense. Democracy isn't perfect but for a nation I feel like it supposed to reflect the people (majority).

PS the majority isn't always right, but in the case of homosexuality I believe we are.

I believe the polls indicate that just over half of all Americans polled really don't care about gay marriage.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

In twenty or thirty years if we keep going in the direction we are going homosexuality will be just as normal as interracial marriages. I am not against interracial marriages, but when you talk about two men getting married Come on have we not got any common sense. It is really a sad day in history that we are even talking about this. I try to be a open minded person, but it is crazy that people even have to think about this. I understand that gay people have a real desire for a same sex relationships, but they should know they aren't normal. They shouldn't turn it around and make people accept it as it just another normal choice to make. The day two men have a child together without any medical operations changing their gender (I doubt that is even possible) then maybe this would be worth bringing up again.

LOL! I doubt that day will come. LOL

I believe that the courts are confronted with equal representation and protection under the law. GOVERNMENT is blind in areas of personal morality. All it is here to do is protect life, liberty, and property... making sure that the laws apply equally to everyone

I don't approve of many things that are legal. We often talk about the cost of liberty. Sometimes, liberty means that we have to accept some things that we just don't like for the sake of liberty and justice for all. As long as gays pay taxes and vote for representatives to represent their interests and concerns... I don't see any way around it constitutionally.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

You wearing your KKK hood when you say this? I know a straight couple that cant have kids. They have to adopt. Should we yank their marriage license?

This illustrates a major problem as I see it. Why should GOVERNMENT have the authority to issue, deny, or yank any marriage license? Isn't marriage is a private association.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That has nothing to do with the FACT that a gay couple can NEVER, for as long as they draw breath in their body, reproduce. In order to appear like a normal relationship, they adopt.

I think some do. But most adopt because they genuinely want kids. There is more to a person than their sexual proclivities and interests. They are not all perverted monsters. Many want the American dream... they just don't feel attracted to the opposite sex.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Gay marriage is not a civil rights issue. No State has to sanction marriage of any kind. States' marriage laws were fair and equal. Straight men could only marry women. Gay men could only marry women. Straight women could only marry men. Gay women could only marry men. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that gives any branch of the Federal Government authority to force States to let people of the same sex marry.

Personally, i wish my State would stop sanctioning ALL marriage. Let people have church weddings and then go make a social contract at a lawyer's office.

Or... not even establish a contract if they wish.

In Quaker tradition couples would often seek to have their unions blessed by their meeting and that's it. Some states recognize Quaker marriages. Others don't. Most Quakers don't really care.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

waiting on you to elaborate?

No way do I, or did I ever support the k.k.k. and I have many black friends along with people of other ethnics in my close family. I don't appreciate the slur remarks.
You can make your point without throwing slur comment comments around.
Are you on the right forum?

I think the KKK reference was in jest. It didn't make you look racist to me.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Sounds good to me.

And yes it is a civil rights issue. Are you giving a class of people rights that another class does have?

Nope.

Men (gay or straight) must marry women.

Women (gay or straight) must marry men.

That is equality.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Its not an individual's right to marry who he wants as long as its a consenting adult?

Please dont ever wonder why someone might call people like you bigoted and ignorant. People like you always compare two consenting adults to the same thing as a man raping his sister and laying with his goat. Very smart of you.

A mother and son can be two consenting adults. A father and daughter can be two consenting adults. A brother and sister can be two consenting adults.

You are saying that a sovereign State cannot forbid these to marry or refuse to sanction such marriages?

It is time for the States to call for a convention to amend the Constitution to leave all of these questions up to the States. Thirty eight States made laws forbidingf gay marriage. The will of the people was overridden by activiist judges.

The Defense of Marriage Act was thrown out "because it violated States' rights". That was a defacto admission that questions of marriage are a State issue. yet the same Federal courts, without blinking, will make rulings that violate States' rights on this issue. That proves these judges are activists and nothing more.