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RJR · #31 03-12-2014, 12:04 PM

Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Pressing-On · #32 03-12-2014, 12:06 PM

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Yes, by all means the message should be a positive one.

I grew up hearing a fear message, the stories about the person who walked out of the church during an altar call and got killed in a car wreck. Fear was the motivating factor which caused folks to go to the altar and it was effective to a point. Actually, thinking about that time, the power of God was more prevalent also.

I'm not suggesting that the fear message should be the motivational message for those needing salvation, but I am saying that the fear message also has it's place in the salvation message. One can be, and should be, positive in presenting heaven instead of hell, but the negative of the destination of the individual who rejects Christ should be preached also. There is a reality of heaven and there is a reality of hell. Both should be preached and the responsibility is then placed on the individual. Accept or reject, the choice is up to them.

It's a serious thing and needs serious preaching.

We had an evangelist visit who was wearing red pants and had them turn off the lights while he preached about hell. An elderly man was so scared he wet his pants all over one of the pews.

justlookin · #33 03-12-2014, 12:08 PM

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We had an evangelist visit who was wearing red pants and had them turn off the lights while he preached about hell. An elderly man was so scared he wet his pants all over one of the pews.

Hope he went to the altar after all that.

Pressing-On · #34 03-12-2014, 12:11 PM

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Hope he went to the altar after all that.

I think they left before altar call.

Pressing-On · #35 03-12-2014, 12:16 PM

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Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Do you think that we could view the first part of Jude 1:23 as also relating to Galatians 6:1? That is what comes to mind when I read, "save with fear".

"Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." Galatians 6:1

RJR · #36 03-12-2014, 12:27 PM

2Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
2Cor 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Jesus began to say this unto his disciples first of all, Luke 12:1...

Luk 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

RJR · #37 03-12-2014, 12:38 PM

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Why not, obedience to the word is important period? if one phrase was all that was necessary we have how many verses and chapters that are an exercise in futility. There is a reason Paul said he did not shun to declare unto them ALL the counsel of God, he wanted to be pure from the blood of all men, Acts 20:26-27. The scripture states as listed a few moments ago, it is because the received not THE LOVE of THE TRUTH, (not a love of a truth) that they might be saved, 2 Thes. 2:10.

Why put a penknife to it like they did in Jeremiah's day and act as if one part you will save while the others you do not like can be thrown into the hearth?

The WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth!

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Pressing-On · #38 03-12-2014, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RJR

Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Do you think that we could view the first part of Jude 1:23 as also relating to Galatians 6:1? That is what comes to mind when I read, "save with fear".

"Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." Galatians 6:1

*Bump* for RJR...

RJR · #39 03-12-2014, 01:05 PM

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*Bump* for RJR...

I do think we need to carefully consider ourselves when also helping others. It certainly does have its applications. However, I truly think these other verses that I have provided have more of a parallel focus to the passage in Jude than Gal. 6:1.

Pressing-On · #40 03-12-2014, 01:26 PM

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I do think we need to carefully consider ourselves when also helping others. It certainly does have its applications. However, I truly think these other verses that I have provided have more of a parallel focus to the passage in Jude than Gal. 6:1.

I was reading Jude 1:23 in the NLT - "Rescue others by snatching them from the flames of judgment. Show mercy to still others, but do so with great caution, hating the sins that contaminate their lives."

I will study more, for now, I am looking at verse 21, "In this way, you will keep yourselves safe in God’s love." It just appears that he is concerned with us keeping ourselves while dealing with others.

I'll look at it again.