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Old 10-01-2013, 11:24 AM
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Re: why do you like church buildings for meetings?

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Grow and divide, simple.
My thoughts exactly! If a building where people are meeting, whether it be a church or a home has become too small for the group meeting... it can divide and the work of the Lord can continue to grow. WE are not to be building an earthly kingdom, but the Kingdom of God which is meant to multiply and divide.

Keeping it real, and keeping it simple is how to really advance the kingdom of God...
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Really? It was a house church before it even began?

You sure?

I find no scripture which teaches the church 'began' with the 3000 converts on Pentecost.

Sorry!
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I find no scripture which teaches the church 'began' with the 3000 converts on Pentecost.

Sorry!
First mention of church after the outpouring of the Holy Ghost in the upper room is Acts 2:47:

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I find no scripture which teaches the church 'began' with the 3000 converts on Pentecost.

Sorry!
I meant on that day, the day of Pentecost. How do you have it beginning as a house church?
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First mention of church after the outpouring of the Holy Ghost in the upper room is Acts 2:47:
Was there no 'church in the wilderness'?

What is the 'church'? It is the congregation, the ekklesia, the qahal, of the Lord.

Been around at least since Sinai, and I believe it wouldn't be unscriptural to say it goes back to Abraham, at least. Possibly Noah, and possibly all the way back to the days of Seth...

But I do not know of any scripture which teaches the church came into existence on the day of Pentecost.

If anything, that was the day the church was baptised with the Holy Spirit, completing it's transition into the New Covenant.
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I meant on that day, the day of Pentecost. How do you have it beginning as a house church?
What in the world are you talking about? I didn't say anything about anything 'beginning'.
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Re: why do you like church buildings for meetings?

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The house church in Acts 2 had 3000 converts in one day.
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I meant on that day, the day of Pentecost. How do you have it beginning as a house church?
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What in the world are you talking about? I didn't say anything about anything 'beginning'.
I ask again. How do you have the church at that point in time being a "The House Church"?
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I ask again. How do you have the church at that point in time being a "The House Church"?
????

The church was a house church, they met in a house -

And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Seems pretty obvious to me, Prax.
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????

The church was a house church, they met in a house -

And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Seems pretty obvious to me, Prax.
The word "house" could be used in a generic sense for any kind of building, even the Temple.

Here is the thing, whatever kind of building it was, it held at least 120 people not to mention the possibility those unbelieving Jews that confronted Peter. That is a very large room.

They were all sitting in that room when this happened

Act 2:2 And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting.

Then when those unbelievers spoke up about this event the Apostles all stood up to represent the new faith

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words.

It also had to be located where all those visiting Jews, there for the day of Pentecost celebration, could hear of this event
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Re: why do you like church buildings for meetings?

BTW this goes to a point I tried to make earlier. Some buildings, maybe even homes, were used as "halls" for guests to meet in, hold weddings, eat passover...it's akin to someone renting out a place to hold meetings
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