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09-18-2013, 04:03 PM
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Re: The problem with the UPCI
No the problem is we divide and reform and isolate. That is why we are so anemic.
We divide over small issues and greater issues. We divide because one group attempts to force everyone else to agree or leave
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09-18-2013, 04:08 PM
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Re: The problem with the UPCI
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No the problem is we divide and reform and isolate. That is why we are so anemic.
We divide over small issues and greater issues. We divide because one group attempts to force everyone else to agree or leave
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This is why some have said the UPCI should change it's name to the Divided Pentecostal Church, Inc. It's got a LONG history of dividing, then dividing again!
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09-18-2013, 04:38 PM
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Re: The problem with the UPCI
Anyone who tries to defend the UPCI current status is not a connesuier of truth.
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09-18-2013, 04:40 PM
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Re: The problem with the UPCI
The mascot should be an earthworm.
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This is why some have said the UPCI should change it's name to the Divided Pentecostal Church, Inc. It's got a LONG history of dividing, then dividing again!
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
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09-18-2013, 04:41 PM
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Re: The problem with the UPCI
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This is why some have said the UPCI should change it's name to the Divided Pentecostal Church, Inc. It's got a LONG history of dividing, then dividing again!
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That ironically began with a unity.
People forget its an organization. We organized for evangelism and fellowship.
What it says is evangelism isnt important, circling the wagos is, and they cant fellowship over differences.
Dont forget both groups were Oneness, Jesus name baptism and tongues as evidence..
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-18-2013, 04:43 PM
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Re: The problem with the UPCI
The UPCI was growing rather well until some people got a burr in their saddles.
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Name one group in Christendom that has 'such MAJOR impact on the world' and I GUARANTEE you they have doctrines they will not compromise.
The modernist, liberalized, 'neo-evangelical' movement among Protestants doesn't count though since all they've done is make the standard of unity a simple confession that 'Jesus is Lord' thus swelling their ranks statistically.
The Reformers, Covenanters, and Lutherans were FAR more adamant about doctrinal unity and doctrinal purity than ANY OP group I've seen (except maybe for Reckhart's bunch) and I doubt anyone could claim they had 'such little impact on the world'.
Same with the Anabaptists. Same with the Waldensians.
Same with the catholics for that matter.
The problem is the UPC was born out of compromise, and that attitude of compromise - go along to get along, despite serious doctrinal differences - is what is causing 'lack of impact', imo.
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09-18-2013, 04:46 PM
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Re: The problem with the UPCI
When the Oneness brethren were "removed" from the AOG I have heard both Oneness and Trinity preachers preached each others churches.
BTW in the AOG you can find some ministers who will baptize in Jesus name and nobody is being forced to change or leave...
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-18-2013, 04:51 PM
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Re: The problem with the UPCI
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The UPCI was growing rather well until some people got a burr in their saddles.
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Agreed but lets also not forget that there are two groups exoding now, the very conservative who failed to force their continuing agenda on the rest and the very liberal who cant agree with how conservative the org is
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-18-2013, 05:02 PM
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Re: The problem with the UPCI
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Agreed but lets also not forget that there are two groups exoding now, the very conservative who failed to force their continuing agenda on the rest and the very liberal who cant agree with how conservative the org is
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It is ironic that our most recent split was due to a group who wanted to keep the ban on advertising on TV. They actually split over that. My pastor at the time voted against lifting the ban and was not happy that it was indeed lifted. But he was outraged when these men actually left the organization over this.
Last edited by Originalist; 09-18-2013 at 06:02 PM.
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09-18-2013, 05:11 PM
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Re: The problem with the UPCI
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It is ironic that our most recent spit was due to a group who wanted to keep the ban on advertising on TV. They actually split over that. My pastor at the time voted against lifting the ban and was not happy that it was indeed lifted. But he was outraged when these men actually left the organization over this.
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Right. These men didn't have to advertize on TV, allow TV to be "ok" in their church or have one themselves yet the disfellowshipped over it.
It really has more to do with being in control
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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