Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN! - Page 4

Baron1710 · #31 09-15-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Actually, it is about one-step vs. three-step. I didn't have to listen to it to know that, as I thought. The red flag was DA's name.

"Fellowship the difference." - around the 26 minute marker.

Anyway, my original post stands. It is not possible to fellowship the two views. Why? Because the point of salvation is at odds. Someone and everyone must be true to their beliefs.

There is a "common" salvation and one side is wrong.

Worked for 40 years.

It worked fine until the rewrites of UPC history began their campaign. Liars and dividers.

Baron1710 · #32 09-15-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How would you ever hope to maintain any type of unity having two messages preached on Sunday - one for the morning and one for the evening? Or one for Sunday and one for Wednesday? The church body would wonder at what point they would be saved.

Obviously, you wanted your point preached and believed. Not much different than the other side's view?

IMO, it would be better to preach the same thing - the "common faith" as Paul terms it. In the Greek, "common" is define as "shared".

Kind of a no-brainer that parting company was the only solution.

You seriously can't believe your nonsense post can you?

Jason B · #33 09-15-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

There is a "common" salvation and one side is wrong.

I say its the side that ADDS to the gospel. The UPC is down under 3 million and that's "evangelistically speaking". They "won" the argument and destroyed the fellowship. And what's worse they continue to divide and shrink. Ironically enough one of the required reading books for ministerial license was "United we stand" but if we finished the well known phrase we'd be forced to admit "Divided we fall."

jediwill83 · #34 09-15-2013, 04:43 PM

Its talking about when the UPCI was formed it was two groups with some common beliefs that felt they could "fellowship the differences"....covers the revisionist mindset of some that pretend the original founders were something that they were not "überconservative....no beards or jewelry...baptism remits sins vs baptism because sins were remitted at repentence."....Saying in this war there are many getting caught in the crossfire and being killed or wounded and some becoming so disgusted with the fighting they want nothing of either side...its a good listen...not just one step vs three.

Pressing-On · #35 09-15-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

You seriously can't believe your nonsense post can you?

Look at it logically - Birds eye view of the congregation - the fly on the wall.

Two messages preached on one fine Sunday. Heads looking around, whispering - At what point is salvation effected in my life? Who do I listen to? Who do I follow? Who do I believe?

How in the world can those two views live together in harmony? NEVER.

There is one message that Paul and the Disciples preached. There are not two. Whether there were opposing views trying to live side by side according to you, DA, Yadon and others, there was only one message preached by Peter, et. al.

It was going to eventually collide. And let me tell you, this isn't the first time I have stated my view and DA, himself, agreed with me - it was going to cause division at some point.

Pressing-On · #36 09-15-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I say its the side that ADDS to the gospel. The UPC is down under 3 million and that's "evangelistically speaking". They "won" the argument and destroyed the fellowship. And what's worse they continue to divide and shrink. Ironically enough one of the required reading books for ministerial license was "United we stand" but if we finished the well known phrase we'd be forced to admit "Divided we fall."

Every denomination is down, Jason.

Baron1710 · #37 09-15-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Look at it logically - Birds eye view of the congregation - the fly on the wall.

Two messages preached on one fine Sunday. Heads looking around, whispering - At what point is salvation effected in my life? Who do I listen to? Who do I follow? Who do I believe?

How in the world can those two views live together in harmony? NEVER.

There is one message that Paul and the Disciples preached. There are not two. Whether there were opposing views trying to live side by side according to you, DA, Yadon and others, there was only one message preached by Peter, et. al.

It was going to eventually collide. And let me tell you, this isn't the first time I have stated my view and DA, himself, agreed with me - it was going to cause division at some point.

An entire generation lived side by side with different views. What makes you think you would go to someone else's church and preach what you knew they didn't believe?

That is the problem right there. The arrogant "ministers" that did this kind of thing and want to force everyone to believe just like them.

Pretty small puddle the UPC plays in these days, the blew up the barn for sure.

Pressing-On · #38 09-15-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

An entire generation lived side by side with different views. What makes you think you would go to someone else's church and preach what you knew they didn't believe?

That is the problem right there. The arrogant "ministers" that did this kind of thing and want to force everyone to believe just like them.

Pretty small puddle the UPC plays in these days, the blew up the barn for sure.

There is only one "common" salvation. Whether that person came to my church and preached it or not, it is going to cause division.

This is pretty strong wording in Galatians 1:8, "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!"

I would be more concerned with that wording than what an organization of men were trying to do to find some "harmony" and "unity" on "opposing" views. "Opposing" being the operative word.

Baron1710 · #39 09-15-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

There is only one "common" salvation. Whether that person came to my church and preached it or not, it is going to cause division.

This is pretty strong wording in Galatians 1:8, "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!"

I would be more concerned with that wording than what an organization of men were trying to do to find some "harmony" and "unity" on "opposing" views. "Opposing" being the operative word.

You are so far out in left field you have no idea. There views were more alike than they were separate. But you guys got your way, it cost a lot of innocent people but like he says in the sermon, "You got the rats."

DKB and his troops have destroyed the UPC, a dying church that hasn't a clue they are killing themselves.

Pressing-On · #40 09-15-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

You are so far out in left field you have no idea. There views were more alike than they were separate. But you guys got your way, it cost a lot of innocent people but like he says in the sermon, "You got the rats."

DKB and his troops have destroyed the UPC, a dying church that hasn't a clue they are killing themselves.

I believe that Brother Epley has said that they were alike, as you state, but it didn't remain that way - and that is the larger point.

Look, if I am going to lay my life down - even to the point of death - it better be for the view I would willingly die for. I'm not going to vacillate between two opinions. It is just not going to work for me.