Re: Hello, new here, and looking for some guidance
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Originally Posted by hometown guy
In my opinion it is a huge deal. The church is a place to worship God with other brothers and sisters and I think it's disrespectful to go casually to church. ( and yes there is times where u can't avoid it but it should be the exception and not the rule)
Disrespectful towards who? Brothers and Sisters or God?
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Re: Hello, new here, and looking for some guidance
I am considered by most (especially on here....lol) as an ultra-con, however, what I'm about to say will probably get me excommunicated from the UC club.......I couldn't care less whether people come in casual or dressed up to the nines......my job is to get people to hear the gospel, know and fall in love with Jesus, teach them how to talk to and listen to HIM, teach them sound doctrine, and LEAD them as a true follower of Jesus.
On most Sunday's I will be in suit, however, each week we actually assign one of our praise team to dress casual. (clean, no holes, etc.) Why? Because when someone walks through our door I want them to relate to someone regardless of how dressed up they are/are not. Same reason we are purposely building a multicultural leadership team......no tokens, no bait and switch......real people in real leadership roles serving the body.
Mid-week, again most of the time I'll have on a suit coat/sport coat but NO tie and we encourage our people to come casual or business casual. Why? Practicality.....many people are coming from work and do not have time to go home and change into a suit.
I don't have a problem with those that feel differently, but just don't judge everyone as irreverent because they don't dress up to go to church. I remember reading once....."Wisdom is justified of her children."
Re: Hello, new here, and looking for some guidance
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Originally Posted by bishoph
I am considered by most (especially on here....lol) as an ultra-con, however, what I'm about to say will probably get me excommunicated from the UC club.......I couldn't care less whether people come in casual or dressed up to the nines......my job is to get people to hear the gospel, know and fall in love with Jesus, teach them how to talk to and listen to HIM, teach them sound doctrine, and LEAD them as a true follower of Jesus.
On most Sunday's I will be in suit, however, each week we actually assign one of our praise team to dress casual. (clean, no holes, etc.) Why? Because when someone walks through our door I want them to relate to someone regardless of how dressed up they are/are not. Same reason we are purposely building a multicultural leadership team......no tokens, no bait and switch......real people in real leadership roles serving the body.
Mid-week, again most of the time I'll have on a suit coat/sport coat but NO tie and we encourage our people to come casual or business casual. Why? Practicality.....many people re coming from work and do not have time to go home and change into a suit.
I don't have a problem with those that feel differently, but just don't judge everyone as irreverent because they don't dress up to go to church. I remember reading once....."Wisdom is justified of her children."
Re: Hello, new here, and looking for some guidance
I know Bro. Libby...great man! I am sure he would give sound advice.
All that said....I understand dressing up for service, as I was taught that for years, as well as to be clean shaven at all times - being in Ministry, this was just a couple of expectations.
Having been in this for 20yrs now, and getting older and raising teenagers, I would say that my hard line stance from what I was taught years ago is certainly not the same. Now, I do go to church shaved and at least business casual, but i do not wear a tie every service, like I used to.
I personally believe that there is a great difference between being "convicted" and being "convinced". You can be conditioned to believe and call it conviction, when it has nothing to do with conviction at all, but a form of spiritual conditioning...my opinion. I have had enough happen over 20 years to be able to look back and see where God really did convict me and where I simply conformed.
At any rate, issues like facial hair and neck ties remind me that our traditions can be as powerful and influential in our walk with God as scripture...if we let them...
Re: Hello, new here, and looking for some guidance
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Originally Posted by hometown guy
In my opinion it is a huge deal. The church is a place to worship God with other brothers and sisters and I think it's disrespectful to go casually to church. ( and yes there is times where u can't avoid it but it should be the exception and not the rule)
May I say GOOD GRIEF!!!!. There is absolutely nothing in the bible about dressing up for church. I don't have a problem with it but I also don't have a problem with not.
To think that God cares about whether you have a suit and tie on or blue jeans and a casual shirt when you worship him is absurd.
bishiph's post earlier on this page addresses this also.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Re: Hello, new here, and looking for some guidance
The absolute best church I have ever been a part of when it came to dress was Christ Church Nashville. Many times I would be sitting on a pew with men in Armani suits who were next to men in blue jeans or khaki pants and no one thought anything about it. Clothes were not why people were there and they had no interest in judging how others were dressed. My current church would not judge anybody who came dressed up but we just don't have any. I don't think I have ever seen anybody in a suit (wait, there was one on Easter) although a few men occasionally where a sports jacket in the winter.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Re: Hello, new here, and looking for some guidance
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Originally Posted by CC1
May I say GOOD GRIEF!!!!. There is absolutely nothing in the bible about dressing up for church. I don't have a problem with it but I also don't have a problem with not.
To think that God cares about whether you have a suit and tie on or blue jeans and a casual shirt when you worship him is absurd.
bishiph's post earlier on this page addresses this also.
I never said they have to wear a tie and suit but when we are going to worship the King then I think we should not dress casual cause its not a causal event. Now that being said if your best is jeans and that is "dressing up" to you that that's fine. I just don't like the casual mentality that people have toward God. My dad in the past year has came to church with me ( he only has been to an apostolic church a handful of times) and when he comes he will put on his button up Hawaiian shirt. To him that is putting on his best cause he is a tshirt or tank top kinda guy.
Re: Hello, new here, and looking for some guidance
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Originally Posted by bishoph
I am considered by most (especially on here....lol) as an ultra-con, however, what I'm about to say will probably get me excommunicated from the UC club.......I couldn't care less whether people come in casual or dressed up to the nines......my job is to get people to hear the gospel, know and fall in love with Jesus, teach them how to talk to and listen to HIM, teach them sound doctrine, and LEAD them as a true follower of Jesus.
On most Sunday's I will be in suit, however, each week we actually assign one of our praise team to dress casual. (clean, no holes, etc.) Why? Because when someone walks through our door I want them to relate to someone regardless of how dressed up they are/are not. Same reason we are purposely building a multicultural leadership team......no tokens, no bait and switch......real people in real leadership roles serving the body.
Mid-week, again most of the time I'll have on a suit coat/sport coat but NO tie and we encourage our people to come casual or business casual. Why? Practicality.....many people are coming from work and do not have time to go home and change into a suit.
I don't have a problem with those that feel differently, but just don't judge everyone as irreverent because they don't dress up to go to church. I remember reading once....."Wisdom is justified of her children."
fire away.....lol
Not trying to be disrespctful but do you allow food and drink in your sanctuary? And if you don't and its just cause you don't want to get the carpets dirty then that's fine but if its cause you want people to reverence the "house of God" and then we come dressed like we went to our buddies house and then when we go to a wedding we then want to put our best. What so you think you are teaching the saints in your church at that point? That is my point.
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