I am in the middle. I have no issue at all with a drone attack taking out Anwr Al Alaki. That dude was evil and needed to die FAST.
He was an American. He was not in America. He was in another country where we had no access to capture him. He was actively trying to murder Americans.
Dude needed to die. We better all get a better understanding that these muslim extremists want to exterminate all of us as quickly has they can. Their place of birth not withstanding.
At the same time, I am very distressed with the secretive nature of this administration and their refusal to publish the detail of what this actually means in practice.
We need law not fiat by the executive to govern the action. Obama disregards the contitutional requirement to use law and he governs by fiat even when it thwarts both law and constitution. This has happened many times, and no one seems to care.
I am in the middle. I have no issue at all with a drone attack taking out Anwr Al Alaki. That dude was evil and needed to die FAST.
He was an American. He was not in America. He was in another country where we had no access to capture him. He was actively trying to murder Americans.
Dude needed to die. We better all get a better understanding that these muslim extremists want to exterminate all of us as quickly has they can. Their place of birth not withstanding.
At the same time, I am very distressed with the secretive nature of this administration and their refusal to publish the detail of what this actually means in practice.
We need law not fiat by the executive to govern the action. Obama disregards the contitutional requirement to use law and he governs by fiat even when it thwarts both law and constitution. This has happened many times, and no one seems to care.
I agree with you that it's important for our government to have the freedom to take quick action. However, what you've presented in your post is not the same as the scenario presented in the original article, in which the parameters are quite blurry:
"A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
What you guys are essentially saying is that an American citizen on foreign soil has less rights than an American citizen on American soil.
Does leaving the country mean one loses rights?
PO, you would be fine with it if your son talked to a terrorist in a market while traveling overseas, was considered guilty of treason by association and summarily assassinated? Without evidence? Based on the suspicion by a couple of guys in the field?
I am saying that if an American is on foreign soil, is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, and is a known terrorist working to kill Americans like Anwr Al Alaki was, then blow him up about as fast as you can and never think twice about it.
I am not opposed to followups that blow up the remaining body parts.
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Okay, we'll go with "in a home." It is still quite possible for an American citizen to be innocent and be unaware of the activities of the terrorist. At the very least, shouldn't that innocence be presumed until it has been proven otherwise? "Known terrorist" is a subjective term, anyway. Who memorizes lists of terrorists--and their faces and aliases? My husband's cousin does overseas charity work and interacts with people in *hostile* areas all the time. I suppose if he accidentally walks into the wrong home and is assassinated, that's his fault? The government is perfectly within their rights to take him out based on suspicion? I attend a church with two retired missionaries and their wives. They have definitely visited hostile areas and been in the homes of people whose background is probably only minimally known.
So, does leaving the country mean one loses rights?
Yada, yada, sistah. My cousin and her husband live and work in Egypt. They don't hang out with just anyone.
I am saying that if an American is on foreign soil, is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, and is a known terrorist working to kill Americans like Anwr Al Alaki was, then blow him up about as fast as you can and never think twice about it.
I am not opposed to followups that blow up the remaining body parts.
I am saying that if an American is on foreign soil, is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, and is a known terrorist working to kill Americans like Anwr Al Alaki was, then blow him up about as fast as you can and never think twice about it.
I am not opposed to followups that blow up the remaining body parts.
Right. But the article doesn't support that. It says if they are believed to be "an associated force...even if there is no intelligence" to support them being involved in a plot.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
I agree with you that it's important for our government to have the freedom to take quick action. However, what you've presented in your post is not the same as the scenario presented in the original article, in which the parameters are quite blurry:
"A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."
The article also states, "Instead, it says, an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.”
I agree with you that it's important for our government to have the freedom to take quick action. However, what you've presented in your post is not the same as the scenario presented in the original article, in which the parameters are quite blurry:
"A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S."
thus my issues with Obama's approach. Congress should clarify. Obama's team should be transparant.
That being said, anyone who is giving aid and comfort to our enemies which would be the case where an American has become a top Al Qaida leader, then i want law that says blow that guy up. Im not real interested in "due process".
I can promise you in WW2 we didnt get all hand ringie over some American helping the germans. we just would have found him and put a bullet hole in him.
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Yada, yada, sistah. My cousin and her husband live and work in Egypt. They don't hang out with just anyone.
You still didn't answer my question. Your cousin and husband could still find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. If the government intelligence agencies don't even know who all the terrorists are and where they are, with all their resources, how can it be assumed that an American citizen will have that information? And that they will always know with whom they are fraternizing?
It's amazing to me that the constitution is the law and gospel...until it isn't.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
You still didn't answer my question. Your cousin and husband could still find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. If the government intelligence agencies don't even know who all the terrorists are and where they are, with all their resources, how can it be assumed that an American citizen will have that information? And that they will always know with whom they are fraternizing?
It's amazing to me that the constitution is the law and gospel...until it isn't.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
My cousin and her husband live and work in Egypt. They don't hang out with just anyone.
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