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Re: Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?
Yea the unknown tongues whereever those are in the bible and the other tongues the tongues in Acts and Corithians.Renee has a post on it down under the Salvation thread..But Exegetical and historical evidence suggest they are the same tongues in both Acts and Corithians
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Re: Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?
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Yea the unknown tongues whereever those are in the bible and the other tongues.Renee has a post on it down under the Salvation thread..But Exegetical and historical evidence suggest they are the same.
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10-17-2012, 07:43 PM
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Re: Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?
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10-17-2012, 07:46 PM
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Re: Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?
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Hey CeeCeeOne 
I really didn't think of it as "throwing the scripture in God's face" when I married my husband. I didn't think of scripture at all. I don't say that smugly. I just came to think of the Bible as a book written by men, thousands of years ago and still being used as a "Rule Book" today. And where as I think it contains lots of wisdom, I don't think it is intended to be used as a rule book, or that it is necessarily THE WORD OF GOD. I came to believe that God didn't intend to send us a book, he intended to send himself. So I started living my life under the simple precepts: Are my actions wrong according to the laws of the land or are they hurtful (unloving) to another person. (Lest it sound like I'm leaving God out...I think that God's main concern is how we treat others) |
I have not read any other posts in this thread yet other than your initial one and my response but I find your post here incredibly sad. I don't mean that in a mean way or a condescending way just with a heavy heart that this is where you have ended up. God loves you and despite what you now say the Bible is God's word and applies to your life.
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Re: Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?
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I have not read any other posts in this thread yet other than your initial one and my response but I find your post here incredibly sad. I don't mean that in a mean way or a condescending way just with a heavy heart that this is where you have ended up. God loves you and despite what you now say the Bible is God's word and applies to your life.
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Amen. 
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10-17-2012, 07:59 PM
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Re: Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?
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Per your Quote Renee "That word “edifieth” means to build up. And we are talking about spiritual things here, it builds a person up in the Spirit". We all need that. Jude says the same.
Scripture clearly states that your Spirit is not built up cause in verse 2 it states howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries
Now how is your Spirit going to be built up if speaking mysteries to it.
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Your spirit or your mind?
The bible does not say HOW one is edified. It just says they are
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-17-2012, 08:05 PM
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Re: Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?
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Originally Posted by KWSS1976
Yea the unknown tongues whereever those are in the bible and the other tongues the tongues in Acts and Corithians.Renee has a post on it down under the Salvation thread..But Exegetical and historical evidence suggest they are the same tongues in both Acts and Corithians
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What is the exegetical and historical evidence?
BTW that tongues in Acts and in Corinthians are the same goes not make them the same in purpose or operation.
Yes both are Tongues. Yes both are by the Spirit. However...
In Acts at least once they were understood
They were never interpreted
They were always someone receiving the Spirit for the first time and part of an evangelistic mode rather than a church meeting mode except Pentecost, which turned Evangelistic.
Despite no interpreters, in none of the cases in Acts were they compelled to be quite. In fact had they been quite it would not have been noised abroad.
Sure both are tongues. But that does not make them the same GIFT
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-17-2012, 09:33 PM
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Re: Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?
MICH!!!!!!! I have missed you. I haven't been on here much in the past year or so, but it's good to see your post and know that you're alive and kickin'. Glad to hear you have a baby girl - congratulations!
As to your post itself, you have been on a spiritual quest for a very long time. I pray that God reveals Himself to you in such a real way that you will have no doubts. All of Christianity is based on FAITH - the evidence of things not seen. Without faith, it will never be real to you, because it can't be proven logically. God can't be explained.
Anyway, it's good to hear from you again! 
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10-17-2012, 10:03 PM
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Re: Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?
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Originally Posted by KWSS1976
Man I have to say you old time Upc'ers are something else,you guys are really stuck in your ways like talkng to a brick wall. I am still tring to figure out how you get 2sets of tongues out of the bible....It was a gift in Acts and it was the same gift in Corithians,but highly abused just like in the Churches today to bad Paul is not around to regulate like he did in Corithians.
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1. I'm not an "UPCer" I was saved in the PAW and raised in the COGIC.
2. I STILL don't understand how you get "speaking to his spirit mysteries" out of "in the spirit he speaketh mysteries". Care to explain?
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10-17-2012, 11:00 PM
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Re: Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?
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Originally Posted by KWSS1976
Man I have to say you old time Upc'ers are something else,you guys are really stuck in your ways like talkng to a brick wall. I am still tring to figure out how you get 2sets of tongues out of the bible....It was a gift in Acts and it was the same gift in Corithians,but highly abused just like in the Churches today to bad Paul is not around to regulate like he did in Corithians.
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The bible does not say tongues was a gift in Acts. In Acts the Holy Spirit was a gift and the word for GIFT is not the same as the word for gift in Corinthians.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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