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10-13-2012, 01:57 PM
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Re: 2011 - 2012 United Pentecostal Church Report
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Originally Posted by kclee4jc
I have a very strong opinion on the TV issue and hold to and believe in conservative "holiness standards". I have no TV, I dont watch movies and don't ever intend to. But to me this is an issue of not just personal preference or conviction. We are dealing with murder here..this is the ultimate comprimise for the church. This is the same reason i just cannot be affiliated with the Republican party.
We wrestle not with flesh and blood.
The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.
If you live by the sword you will die by the sword.
Combatant military service is in direct opposition to everything the NT sets forth for Christian lifestyle. When Jesus commanded us to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature...i just can't equate that with going into all the world and killing those who don't fit our political, religious or economic agenda.
It's a hot topic for me and I just can't understand why so many in the movement are ok with it. I believe the apathy and indecisiveness surrounding this issue is one of the worst sins confronting the present day church. It just blows me away really. Let me say with for clarity's sake.
It is Casey Lee's deepest conviction that no Christian has the right to take another human life under ANY circumstance!
K...i'm done!
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Would this view carry (pun intended) over to 2nd Amendment rights as well?
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10-14-2012, 12:35 AM
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Re: 2011 - 2012 United Pentecostal Church Report
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Originally Posted by StillStanding
I thought you were aware that any TV over 90" will send you to Hell! You have crossed the line, my friend! Having watched a Monday Night Football game on said TV with you, I felt convicted and had to repent when I got home!
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Reminds me of a few decades ago growing up a teenager in the UPC. It always amazed me the cycle many of my contemporaries went through;
1. Go to the altar (usually at campmeeting or at least a sectional meeting) and "get right with God"
2 Become the biggest militant supporter of all of the "standards" expected of UPC teen at a the time (to the point of policing what other UPC teens were or where not doing and the state of their salvation).
3. After a few weeks or months when the legalistic burden became too heavy or their shallow relationship with God too weak they would "backslide" yet again and throw themselves wholeheartedly into sin until the cycle started yet again.
I remember one young woman who actually was no longer a teen but probably in her early twenties who took this one step further. Not only did she "pray through" but she went off to live with an ultra con relative for six months or a year or so and came back preaching the evils of red shoes and high heels!!!!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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10-14-2012, 07:43 AM
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Re: 2011 - 2012 United Pentecostal Church Report
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Originally Posted by CC1
...I remember one young woman who actually was no longer a teen but probably in her early twenties who took this one step further. Not only did she "pray through" but she went off to live with an ultra con relative for six months or a year or so and came back preaching the evils of red shoes and high heels!!!!
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Thank God for someone who would take a stand for something so clearly taught in the Word of God. In these days of compromise and lowering of standards and forsaking the old landmarks, it is refreshing to hear someone clearly trumpet out the message of the Lord--the old time Gospel.
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10-14-2012, 02:36 PM
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Re: 2011 - 2012 United Pentecostal Church Report
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Originally Posted by kclee4jc
I have a very strong opinion on the TV issue and hold to and believe in conservative "holiness standards". I have no TV, I dont watch movies and don't ever intend to. But to me this is an issue of not just personal preference or conviction. We are dealing with murder here..this is the ultimate comprimise for the church. This is the same reason i just cannot be affiliated with the Republican party.
We wrestle not with flesh and blood.
The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.
If you live by the sword you will die by the sword.
Combatant military service is in direct opposition to everything the NT sets forth for Christian lifestyle. When Jesus commanded us to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature...i just can't equate that with going into all the world and killing those who don't fit our political, religious or economic agenda.
It's a hot topic for me and I just can't understand why so many in the movement are ok with it. I believe the apathy and indecisiveness surrounding this issue is one of the worst sins confronting the present day church. It just blows me away really. Let me say with for clarity's sake.
It is Casey Lee's deepest conviction that no Christian has the right to take another human life under ANY circumstance!
K...i'm done!
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I can think of a number of situations where I would not hesitate to use deadly force. However, those are few and not necessarily likely to happen. I have no qualms about permanently incapacitating anyone who was attacking my friends or family, attempting to kill me, etc. I do agree that this is a sensitive topic, and we shall not agree upon it. I pray that you are never positioned to live out your conviction here, just as I do not wish to have to ever use mine for any reason.
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Would this view carry (pun intended) over to 2nd Amendment rights as well?
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I would have to say that it does. I just hope and pray that he never must live this out.
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10-15-2012, 01:05 PM
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Re: 2011 - 2012 United Pentecostal Church Report
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Originally Posted by Jay
I can think of a number of situations where I would not hesitate to use deadly force. However, those are few and not necessarily likely to happen. I have no qualms about permanently incapacitating anyone who was attacking my friends or family, attempting to kill me, etc. I do agree that this is a sensitive topic, and we shall not agree upon it. I pray that you are never positioned to live out your conviction here, just as I do not wish to have to ever use mine for any reason.
I would have to say that it does. I just hope and pray that he never must live this out.
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I hope that I never have to live this out, but am prepared should it occur.
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10-15-2012, 06:56 PM
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Re: 2011 - 2012 United Pentecostal Church Report
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Originally Posted by CC1
Reminds me of a few decades ago growing up a teenager in the UPC. It always amazed me the cycle many of my contemporaries went through;
1. Go to the altar (usually at campmeeting or at least a sectional meeting) and "get right with God"
2 Become the biggest militant supporter of all of the "standards" expected of UPC teen at a the time (to the point of policing what other UPC teens were or where not doing and the state of their salvation).
3. After a few weeks or months when the legalistic burden became too heavy or their shallow relationship with God too weak they would "backslide" yet again and throw themselves wholeheartedly into sin until the cycle started yet again.
I remember one young woman who actually was no longer a teen but probably in her early twenties who took this one step further. Not only did she "pray through" but she went off to live with an ultra con relative for six months or a year or so and came back preaching the evils of red shoes and high heels!!!!
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Isn't that great! Anyone should know that red is a harlot's color and a pair of red shoes could only mean that person was a harlot! NOT!!!!! As a teenager had a pastor that preached that red was a sin..... a harlot's color. Wonder what the Lord thinks of a lot of our foolishness!
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10-17-2012, 09:53 AM
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Re: 2011 - 2012 United Pentecostal Church Report
Guess it would depend on what was on the mind of those preaching that red is wrong! Red shoes, red dresses, harlots, etc.,.. or THE BLOOD OF JESUS! After all, what color was HIS BLOOD!
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10-18-2012, 04:18 PM
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Re: 2011 - 2012 United Pentecostal Church Report
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I can think of a number of situations where I would not hesitate to use deadly force. However, those are few and not necessarily likely to happen. I have no qualms about permanently incapacitating anyone who was attacking my friends or family, attempting to kill me, etc. I do agree that this is a sensitive topic, and we shall not agree upon it. I pray that you are never positioned to live out your conviction here, just as I do not wish to have to ever use mine for any reason.
I would have to say that it does. I just hope and pray that he never must live this out.
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i can certainly say amen to that
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10-18-2012, 04:19 PM
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Re: 2011 - 2012 United Pentecostal Church Report
I do believe I would defend myself or others in certain situations. But i do not believe in using deadly force.
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10-18-2012, 05:18 PM
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I do believe I would defend myself or others in certain situations.
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I'm saddened by this.
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