Pedophilia in Kansas Church

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by bishoph

My friend, I rarely respond/post much here; however, statements (such as the bolded section) really tend to get me riled up a bit. There are hundreds if not thousands of your so called ultra con churches. For you to allege that the "typical" ultra conservative church is one in which the pastor is committing adultery and the ministry staff are molesting children is not only absurd it is IMHO evil and vile.

There is no defense for the indefensible behavior that is alleged in this instance, nor for ANY other perverse and unrighteous action that robs a child of his/her innocence and scars them for life. There is no excuse for a pastor/leader to break their covenant of marriage for an affair and far worse IMO to use their office/position of authority to manipulate anyone regardless of their age causing them to partake in sinful acts. The truth of the matter is these things happen across the board in EVERY religious org trinitarian, oneness, independent, etc.

I know many conservative men who are wonderful Christians, love God, love their spouse and families, love their congregation, and live clean godly lives. Are there some who are mean spirited? Some who are lords over God's heritage? Some who make shipwreck? Absolutely! But what happened in this church is NOT TYPICAL of Apostolics (cons or libs) Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, etc. In fact (and I may take some heat here) I do not even believe it was "typical" in the Catholic church. There are millions of Catholics and by comparison few instances. Even one is too many and once more I am NOT defending the indefensible, I am just answering the charge that this is "typical" behavior for any church.

I preached there once and am a friend of the new pastor. This horrid sin on both parties (father & son) are sad and disgusting. NO group is immune to immorality. It is sad you are still so full of bitterness that you cannot go on with your life.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I preached there once and am a friend of the new pastor. This horrid sin on both parties (father & son) are sad and disgusting. NO group is immune to immorality. It is sad you are still so full of bitterness that you cannot go on with your life.

This is very true. Anywhere there are people, there will be problems and sin.

[faithinthefire]

FYI, I was once a member of that church. People who leave there are not necessarily bitter, nor have most had much chance to "move on" in some ways.

This has been of interest to me because I have no one there I can contact, yet I want to know what's happening. I had friends there, left friends there. Even though we no longer communicate (it was against the rules to "fellowship backsliders"), still my heart goes out to them.

It's not necessarily bitterness that some may hear in our voices. It's outrage that such was done in the name of the Lord and that it was allowed to continue so long, and anger that no one believed us or that we even at times doubted ourselves.

It could have happened anywhere. But it didn't happen anywhere. It happened in my church. To my friends and loved ones.

[trialedbyfire]

I wear shorts, go to the movies and watch tv, and this thread still troubles me.

[Chateau d'If]

TV1, you're killing me.

You stated that I am a bitter gossip and then slam DKB?

In the same thread?

lol

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

TV1, you're killing me.

You stated that I am a bitter gossip and then slam DKB?

In the same thread?

lol

It is rather ironic. Of the men in question on this thread, DKB is the one who doesn't belong (on a thread like this). Whether DKB is right or wrong about Apostolic history, he's still a godly, Christian man.

I do NOT believe that DKB would deliberately lie about our history or obfuscate facts to suit his purposes. If anyone truly believes he's doing that, they should confront him directly. Being unintentionally wrong does not make a person a liar. In order to be a liar, you must have the intent to lie. Ministers throw around the "liar" and "false prophet" labels much too freely--in regard to their peers. Save that for the men who are deliberately misleading their congregations and constituents; not the ones who might be sincerely wrong about something.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

TV1, you're killing me.

You stated that I am a bitter gossip and then slam DKB?

In the same thread?

lol

Seems a lot of people have their pet enemy to lash out at

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I preached there once and am a friend of the new pastor. This horrid sin on both parties (father & son) are sad and disgusting. NO group is immune to immorality. It is sad you are still so full of bitterness that you cannot go on with your life.

Elder, I sincerely hope you did not intend the bolded portion to me.....my post is actually in agreement with yours.

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Elder, I sincerely hope you did not intend the bolded portion to me.....my post is actually in agreement with yours.

I think it was pointed at the OP.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Elder, I sincerely hope you did not intend the bolded portion to me.....my post is actually in agreement with yours.

We are in agreementt.