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Praxeas · #31 07-30-2012, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

I never understood why everyone broke into a frenzy after a line is repeated continuously. Conditioning?

And I found it odd that for some reason I felt the urge to speak in tongues while some of my senior class was on stage giving an emotional performance to a secular song.

that line repeated over and over drives me nuts. It does not do a thing for me.

houston · #32 07-30-2012, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

that line repeated over and over drives me nuts. It does not do a thing for me.

It doesn't do anything for me either. It is just something that I observed. The line gets repeated x amount of times until people get worked up into a frenzy. One person starts their jig, then like a domino affect, several people bust out their routine. I'm not saying that it's bad. It's just interesting to me.

I can only speak of my own experience. The first time I did my jig it was spiritual. There's a story to it that I will not post here. But, several times after that I forced the jig. I don't even think I could do one today if I wanted to, and there have been times that I wanted to.

There are some things that happen in church that I won't rule out as being learned or in the flesh. Though, people will do the very same thing learned /in the flesh.

The Lemon · #33 07-30-2012, 07:03 AM

Some things are not only "learned" responses, but can at times be a form of peer pressure as well....and some folks thought it was only a teenage thing!

Much of the expression is both personality as well as culture. My current pastor grew up UME and since he and I are close friends i have attended many services in all black church's and can attest to that.

Having said that, it is personal and not up to me to judge....look what happened to Davids wife who despised his praise. My only issue is when the praise leader or pastor feels that people should be responding a certain way and are not and then proceed to play cheerleader and berate people for not "getting with it". to me, that is ridiculous.

I can't tell you how many times over many years I "forced" my praise out of the expectations and atmosphere of a service, and not because it was a genuwine "move" of God. In fact, it still happens today and I have been around the block a few times...

Titus2woman · #34 07-30-2012, 07:10 AM

I dunno... While i'm hesitant to criticize, I am glad that has never broken out at a wedding I've been to although I have seen a few baby dedications go nuts when backsliders from the family attended and it was seen as a chance to get them to the altar and pray them through.

Esaias · #35 07-30-2012, 02:14 PM

After that thou shalt come to the hill of God, where is the garrison of the Philistines: and it shall come to pass, when thou art come thither to the city, that thou shalt meet a company of prophets coming down from the high place with a psaltery, and a tabret, and a pipe, and a harp, before them; and they shall prophesy:

1 Sam 10:5

Seems like Saul may have met some shouters in his day...

KeptByTheWord · #36 07-31-2012, 07:23 PM

How many times in a service have you seen the music "ramp it up" and people just go crazy, but as soon as the song ended, all the worship/movement ended too?

How long has it been since you've prayed and touched God without music being involved?

I have no problems with worshiping to music, in dance, running, shouting or whatever. I love to worship the Lord that way. There is nothing I love any more than to worship my King in dance, song, shout, or whatever.

My problem with it all lies in the fact that much of it is fleshly movement, because as soon as the song ends the worship stops.

Think of all the times that God has truly moved in and changed your life. Was the music ramped up and everyone screaming and moving, and juking and jiving? Or was the music soft, worshipful, reverant, and filled with heartfelt sobs, tears, and praise?

The point I am trying to make is this.... music can ramp up your emotions, and make you feel happy, sad, glad, depressed, angry, whatever.

True worship of the King of Kings will not necessarily need any music, or ramped up emotionalism, although there is nothing wrong with music. But if it is only the music or the beat that is making you feel "something" then perhaps you need to get your Bible out, and spend some private time with the Lord, until you have cultivated a relationship with Him, so that your worship does not need to be associated with a drum beat, or some wild emotional event, but is spontaneous, real, and sincere.

Back to the original post, I have no way of really knowing how sincere these folks were in their worship on their wedding day... but I do know one thing, that drum beat, and organ were heard FIRST before any emotion began to take place in the young man.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they were truly sincere, and joyous beginning their union together... but the drum beat thing really made me back away, and say.... wait a minute... is this real worship, or is this emotionalism... and only the Lord Himself truly knows that answer.

Esaias · #37 08-01-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

How many times in a service have you seen the music "ramp it up" and people just go crazy, but as soon as the song ended, all the worship/movement ended too?

How long has it been since you've prayed and touched God without music being involved?

I have no problems with worshiping to music, in dance, running, shouting or whatever. I love to worship the Lord that way. There is nothing I love any more than to worship my King in dance, song, shout, or whatever.

My problem with it all lies in the fact that much of it is fleshly movement, because as soon as the song ends the worship stops.

Think of all the times that God has truly moved in and changed your life. Was the music ramped up and everyone screaming and moving, and juking and jiving? Or was the music soft, worshipful, reverant, and filled with heartfelt sobs, tears, and praise?

The point I am trying to make is this.... music can ramp up your emotions, and make you feel happy, sad, glad, depressed, angry, whatever.

True worship of the King of Kings will not necessarily need any music, or ramped up emotionalism, although there is nothing wrong with music. But if it is only the music or the beat that is making you feel "something" then perhaps you need to get your Bible out, and spend some private time with the Lord, until you have cultivated a relationship with Him, so that your worship does not need to be associated with a drum beat, or some wild emotional event, but is spontaneous, real, and sincere.

Back to the original post, I have no way of really knowing how sincere these folks were in their worship on their wedding day... but I do know one thing, that drum beat, and organ were heard FIRST before any emotion began to take place in the young man.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they were truly sincere, and joyous beginning their union together... but the drum beat thing really made me back away, and say.... wait a minute... is this real worship, or is this emotionalism... and only the Lord Himself truly knows that answer.

I have seen services where if the drummer was out sick or the organist was out sick then the 'worship' was lackluster, to say the least.

The most powerful worship times I have experienced have been WITHOUT ANY ACCOMPANYING MUSIC AT ALL (unless someone breaks out in an impromptu song - and I am NOT talking about any choir members or 'worship leaders').

What I can't STAND is when the Spirit begins to move and people begin to really let go and let God take over - and then someone has to run and jump on the piano or keyboard or crank up the music and all that sweet Spirit is pushed aside by a musical attempt to drive the worshippers... usually to a quick resolution of the altar call. Presumably so nobody has to miss the after-service buffet at some restaurant or something.

Meh.

KeptByTheWord · #38 08-01-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

I have seen services where if the drummer was out sick or the organist was out sick then the 'worship' was lackluster, to say the least.

The most powerful worship times I have experienced have been WITHOUT ANY ACCOMPANYING MUSIC AT ALL (unless someone breaks out in an impromptu song - and I am NOT talking about any choir members or 'worship leaders').

Me too!